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Author: Subject: WTF is gothic?

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  posted on 12/6/2003 at 08:04 AM
As far as knowing your self to be "goth" is are you acepted in a goth comunity. If you you are than you must be at least simi-goth. Think about it. I my self have friends that are hipie, raver, teckie... Yet each have some goth qulitiys. that hole birds of a feather thing. Or is this rablings and miss-spellings of some one that is suffering from sleep deppervation and cut off from their natural habiat?

 

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  posted on 12/6/2003 at 11:23 AM
I see goth as being whoever the fuck you are as long as you don't bash eachother for who they are. Be yourself for soy sakes.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2003 at 01:21 PM
Well, then I am an individual. Thank you Eden for the clarification.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2003 at 02:43 PM
A big Eden fan, eh? That girls waist is too scarily small for my tastes.

 

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  posted on 13/6/2003 at 11:49 PM
Eh, Dita von Teese is more my speed. I can't get enough of stacked girls doing 40's style pinup photos. And man, just by listening to her and seeing her work, you KNOW that girl's got MOVES....yowza.

 

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  posted on 14/6/2003 at 08:26 AM
Dita von Teese is a beautiful person. Speaking of beautiful people, isn't Marilyn Manson dating her? (turns green with envy and explodes)

 

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  posted on 14/6/2003 at 08:46 AM
Ohh yes Dita Von Teese... I LOVE burlesque! Yep, she's dating Marilyn Manson, they both look so classy when they're out together, hehe (although she's so damn pretty, but he looks like he's had an 'incident' with the ugly stick)

 

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  posted on 15/6/2003 at 10:28 PM
He looks a HELL of a lot better than he used to. Wasn't diggin the celine dion on crank bodysuits, that's for sure. He does always have fab hair tho, gotta give props to a man with great hair.

Dita....vroom vroom...that lucky son of a bitch. I know way too many guys that would cut off an appendage for 5 min with that dame.

 

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  posted on 16/6/2003 at 06:08 PM
Jumppin Jesus,

Well, I come back for a visit and there is one of these. I think that before anyone can register they should be forward to a unclosable window that force feeds the knowlege of the fact that this is not a goth site. *wink wink hint hint*

-Mort

 

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  posted on 16/6/2003 at 11:59 PM
resistance is futile, fool.

I mean, jeebus, the BACKGROUND is black...black as my SOOOOUL. It's a regular gothapalooza, boy.

 

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  posted on 17/6/2003 at 06:31 AM
yah lots of people ARE fooled. and then we get to fool with them. hehehe. Just because there are some goths on this site, doesnt make it a gothsite. after all we have some christians on the site too...
 

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  posted on 18/6/2003 at 05:26 AM
wow, you dont read ver well do you. Let me try a different one and see if you can grasp my point. Just because there are teenagers on this site doesnt make it a teen site.
Does that make more sense to you? Or maybe just because there are drama queens on the site, doesnt mean that this is a drama site. Or just because there are single people on the site doesnt mean that this is a dating site?

How about just because there are people on this site with investment portfolios doesnt mean that is an investment site. or just because there are vegans on the site, doesnt make us a vegan site?

Any of those help? Was i going to fast for you?

 

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  posted on 18/6/2003 at 05:43 AM
http://maddox.xmission.com/gothagain.html

 

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  posted on 18/6/2003 at 10:38 AM
Fab, callei, fab. Well put.

As for (what I'm assuming to be sarcasm) satanists and devil worshippers being the "norm", I'd have to say there are far more athiests, agnostics, or *entergodhere* faiths than actual dyed in the wool satanists within the *gag* "scene" (I hate even SAYING that word *ugh*) Besides myself, I know ONE other satanist, and he's more of a metalhead. Now with METALHEADS you could say that satanism or devil worship is usually the norm, as most blackmetal bands ARE (especially those nordic wacks....crazy little buggers). But even then you'll find far more Devil worshipers than Satanists.

Oh, and callei you forgot one more thing: lots of millitary types/not a military site. Devin should put up a "jarhead test" for shits and giggles. *lol*

 

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  posted on 19/6/2003 at 06:57 AM
devil worshipers are just another flavor of xian, since (if?) they all use the same 'holy' book, same gods, and same basic world view. Satanist, since they dont believe in the xian gods of God and Devil, arent a xian sect or cult. But that is theology and comparative religious studies' way of looking at it.
I just avoid xians because of what they fundimentally believe and how they normally act. I dont like being around that kind of pain and suffering all the time.
And bettie, we couldnt write that test i dont think, or at least i couldnt, i dont know the stereotype well enough to ask silly enough questions. but if you do, i will make the test and put it up.

 

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  posted on 19/6/2003 at 07:27 AM
Don't you think you generalize a little too much when it comes to religion? Every holy book offers room for interpretation or there wouldn't be so many groups claiming they follow the Bible/Koran/Thora with views quite different to those of other groups following the same book. To me the faith a person claims to follow doesn't matter anymore. What matters is what effects this faith has to his views/daily life and if he really follows it or if he's just another bigot.

And I think you're wrong concerning your views on satanism. AFAIK many of its different directions were influenced by Egyptian, Sumerian or Kabbalistic mythology. Some of them even deny any ties to Christianity due to the bad image it gives Satan. Another direction I recall to have heard of interprets the God/Satan relationship as the source of evolution since the principles embodied by them (the spiritual world and order / the physical world and chaos) are both needed to make change possible without destroying the world.

 

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  posted on 19/6/2003 at 12:32 PM
quote:Satanist, since they dont believe in the xian gods of God and Devil, arent a xian sect or cult.
quote: And I think you're wrong concerning your views on satanism... Some of them even deny any ties to Christianity due to the bad image it gives Satan.
So you think i am wrong that Satanists dont believe in the Christian god? please, and i dont mean this sarcastically, please explain to me what you meant.

I wasnt overgeneralizing about religion, i was (perhaps) overgeneralizing about christians. I have met four (ok maybe 5) people that claim to follow that beliefe grouping that werent more interesting in sin than joy, more afraid of thier gods than loving.

I personally think its odd to claim to believe in one god when you believe in two. and a host of other beings that arent gods but almost gods. and a host of even more beings that are sort of demigods but not really but still have to be dealt with.

But we were talking about what is goth right?

 

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  posted on 19/6/2003 at 01:14 PM
Of COURSE we were *cough*
Then again, didn't a forum about guns end up about pie? mmm. Pie.

Anyway, what is the point of a religion if you don't follow it or if you change it around to suit your needs? Isn't that the point? To establish a set way of life and belief or control system to appease a diety? Isn't claiming a religion and then contouring it to your own belief system flawed? In essence, all religions are flawed to a point as they were created by humans, of course, but that's another story.

Devil worshippers: It's basically a reverse of the catholic church. Black masses, pro devil anti god, evil over good blah blah blah. The Devil Worshipers have the Catholic church to thank for their religion (even if they just use the pagentry, which I give MAD props to catholics for). They are worshipping the Xian manifestation of evil. The Church and the Devil worshippers sort of feed off each other. I really don't think that either could exists without each other. Without Evil, the church would have nothing to do, and without the Church the Devil worshippers would have nobody Evill to follow.

Satanists: No god, no devil, simply a philosophical mindset based on realism, human nature, and abandoning social stigmas and ridiculous moral standards set on the general public that almost always have their roots in general religion. If you ask a satanist "why" they will reply "why not?". If you ask a parishoner "why" they usually reply "because the bible..". The figurehead of satan was chosen not just to take a stab at organised religion, but because in any religion where he manifests he usually embodies all human nature, desire, and urges that the church frowns apon. We don't believe in a devil, just the idea of him as an embodiment of everything within the average human animal that has been repressed unfairly throughout the church's reign. It's philosophy, not worship.

 

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  posted on 19/6/2003 at 03:17 PM
Sorry callei, I must have somehow skipped that sentence of yours. Shouldn't post just after getting out of bed anymore.

 

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  posted on 20/6/2003 at 10:00 AM
I reallypersonnaly believe that "goth" asyouso wellputit is more ofastateof mind or as a religion, if i see aperson dressedin black w/ a fewpiercings i dontautomaticly assumethem"goth" alotofnon-goths listen to metal andsomeaccual goths do not...so this is why i say its a state of mind or a religion...its only my personalopinion so dont get cocky,
love always,
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