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Author: Subject: you want me to join the NAVY!?

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 04:40 PM
I know this is kind of random, but my entire family has gone into the navy. EVERYONE. lately, my family keeps telling me that I should join now. they are really serious about this and I am really upset. I havent a clue what to do. Please please help me..you probably know more that I do as I have activily avoided any and all things about it.
while im at it, how do you get an thingy under your name?

 

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 06:09 PM
For first paragraph, see babe-magnet ex-sailor Dolorosa.

For second, I don't understand. If you mean the quote at the bottom of this post ("Be quiet or I will replace you with a simple perl script"), then you can change that by going to your account settings. See "Your Account" at the top of the page, then go there.

Or, if you mean an avatar on the side, then go to the same place and you'll find a section for choosing your avatar.

 

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 06:29 PM
In the military you sometimes have to do terrible things when you are told; like murder people. If you do not follow orders and conform, you can be a threat to your safety and others. This is a decision you have to make for yourself- why are they imposing their idea onto you? Beware of your mind, you can cognitively convince yourself to do this by their pressures onto you. By them repeating "Join the Navy" all of the time, you can become desensitized by the notion of all of the bad things you may go through, or the bad decisions you make could make and sign up. After that, chances are slim that you will ever think the same way again, you will always try to justify your actions. That is a long, sad regretful road to be on in life.
In my opinion I believe the youth in the United States are too young to join the army. Some don’t have body hair, others no wisdom teeth yet. This biologically signals to me that they are too young, and why at this age would they have the responsibility make a decision to join the military. Why would a group like that have the capacity to deal with killing people, or being killed. They aren’t even fully grown yet.
You only live ONCE, and your mind and body is a fragile thing. Do what YOU want to do with it. If that means loading bombs, living away from the U.S, maybe killing people, or getting mangled by weapons, the Navy is for you.
You sound like you are still in high school. Consider college first, a real job is even better and might be more available right now. You get to think for yourself when you are a civilian, and make decisions you cannot when you are part of the military.
The world is also in an unstable condition, where relationships between nations are tense. This is in my opinion a very bad time to join any part of the military. What if you have to go to war? You must consider the consequences there. Keep in mind that you are not a coward for refusing to fight. In fact it is quite easy to kill someone, it takes a special gift and courage not to and help people.
You are not less of a man if you do not want to join the military. You are not weaker. You are not a bad person. You are not less of an American. You have one mind, and one body- you need to choose what you want to do with it.
Your family is upholding a tradition. That doesn’t mean a tradition is right or right for YOU at all.
You sound young, Try living first, because death and trauma is permanent.
Think about what exactly is making you upset- after that maybe tell you family when they bring it up. But remember; they can try to convince you to act otherwise, or even worse- you can convince yourself. Find your ideas and stick to them.
You may even be able to avoid it all together by ignoring them. No one can force you to join the military anymore. Try smiling and silence.
And just out of curiosity, how old are you?

 

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 06:35 PM
I do not personally recommend Dolorosa, as he doesn't see eye to eye with me on this particular issue. I recommend talking to Ex-Navy Geist (AOL screen name tattooedslacker if you can get a hold of him online).

 

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 06:45 PM
Or he could message and speak to both and get TWO sides of the issue. Dolo and Morte's experiences are just as valid as any other military type person's, they just have a different take on life.

I say if you don't wanna fucking do it, then don't do it. Go to school, get educated, and do what you want with your life. They may not like it, but they'll get over it.

 

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 06:54 PM
Before joining the military, your first priority is to visit an 80+ nursing home and talk to all the charming agent orange-smitten vets... then you can decide if you want to join the military
 

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 06:59 PM
I know bettie- but i'm Bias

 

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 11:20 PM
Riiiiight...ok...damn hippy.


Anyways, Navy can be good, Navy can be bad. Me, I spent some years in, and I can honestly say that my time in the Navy was a combination of both the best hours of my life, and the worst. If you are looking for something, be it action, adventure, or oblivion...it'll do. It's what you make of it. Patriotism aside...It's a job, a decent one too, you have to take orders, but you get room and board, good excercise and some damn fine training. You will travel, and see things most people never will...I mean seriously, how many people can say they visited more than ten COUNTRIES in a day?
t's what you make of it.
But here's the deal...don' fucking join just because your family is. Like all things of impotance, such a decision is YOURS and yours alone, to have it otherwise trivilizes everything.
If you want to see things you couldn't see any other way...go for it...if not, cool, it ain't wrong to not want to go into the fleet...it can be fucking scary sometimes.
Personally, it made me stronger, even as it made me vulnerable. I fear little honestly, and I can hold my on in a fight fairly damn well...I met hundreds of cool people, lost a few as well. But it ain't all good...nothing is.
But just a word of solid advice...when asking about the military, I suggest you listen to an educated opinion, instead of a barking teenager.
Your choice, and your choice alone. If it's good for you, and you like a serious challange, hard-assed work, danger and risk...than go for it.
If not, don't it's that simple. No one can force you into something like that.
Do what you're going to do.
Or you could join the airforce...hahahahaahahahahahaha!
Seriously though...It has it's ups and it has it's downs...what it doesn't have, is the nuetral in between, it's either batshit crazy, or dead awesome. Extremes...that what Mil life is about.
An contrary to popular belief...nowadays, civilians and angry morons kill more daily than any soldier, sailor or marine ever has. We just do it better.
Consider it carefully...I can't stress that enough...it is most assuredly NOT for everyone...fuck, it damn well broke me to pieces...but I have memories that will never fade, things that I cherishe, knowledge that makes me valuable...and trials that made me strong.
Do or don't...I won't call you a coward if you don't, I'll call you wise...heh, and if you do...I'll call you courageous, but prolyl foolish. Depends on how you want to play the game man. Go for it.

And Stic...you have a funny way of maintaining a cease fire ya' know? Thanks for your enlightened, biased and one-tracked opinion...I suggest you watch less news.

 

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  posted on 13/5/2003 at 11:53 PM
My bust...that came out a wee bit harsh...didn't mean to sound so pissed off.
All opinions here have validity...all of them, no matter what angle they come from...be it dead on or out from left field.

 

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  posted on 14/5/2003 at 12:34 AM
My experience with the Navy has always been second-hand.

My father is a captain; an officer. He has been in the Navy longer than I've been alive and has prospered. He has never seen combat and never will. He is currently working in a nice office that overlooks the harbor in Honolulu and he will retire there.

One of my best friends was a corpsman; an enlistedman. He was only in for a couple years, but during that time he worked miracles saving lives. He was also unfortunate enough to have many pass on under his care. In the years he served, he was living a fast-paced life, alternately peaceful and violent, under the supervision of aged war-heroes who polish their medals to ease the depression of their paperwork. His psyche was permanently affected by what he witnessed and performed, yet no one will ever remember the good he did.

Both of these men are heroes to me. They both look back on their careers, as long or as brief as they may be, with a strong sense of honor and pride, regardless of what they became afterwards. But this sentiment only came from the fact that it was a life that they chose for themselves.

The unanimous opinion is that it, as well as all other branches of the military, is not something in which you should involve yourself if your whole heart is not in it.

It can, and often does, become a very integral part of one's life. Such is the reason why you are receiving so much pressure from your family. You obviously don't want to do it, otherwise you wouldn't have posted. Even if it's only the pressure that is frustrating you, do not register. Doing so will only infect you with resentment that will grow with time.

As a greater man than me once said, "If there is any doubt, then there is no doubt."

Many different people will have many different opinions, but you can only join the military of your own free will. Express that will.

It is the choice that makes our country proud, not the decision.

 

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  posted on 14/5/2003 at 09:16 AM
Just tell them that you are gay.

Oh wait, you said they wanted you to join the navy...

*rimshot*

ok, back to seriousness.

Do you want to join? Find out, talk to people, Dolo, Morte, and geist are all people who were at one time in the navy. Just remember, it is your choice, don't join just bcause you family wants you to.

 

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  posted on 14/5/2003 at 04:14 PM
Are you kidding Dolo? I'm a extremist, make a nun cry, fire breathing liberal. It’s no offense towards you really, I just have the tendencies to want my opinion loud and clear. It’s part psychological thing, part ego thing. One would say I am experiencing the psychological phenomena called cognitive dissonance. I am so extreme in my views, I can’t help but try to justify my actions and words by being an opinionated bastard (or seem that way). My personal view of this is that I just think long and hard about such things, and come up with cognitively impenetrable ideas that I try my hardest not to overrule in my mind or be wrong about. Change only comes with newly assimilated thoughts. data, and experiences.
And I try not to watch any news. All video media is trash, look at fox network.
If I had it my way, I would have all weapons arsenals and military dissolved, as I feel that modern military exists for military’s sake.
“We have to have a big bomb, cause’ they do too.”- Any day in the Cold War.
I believe that world leaders instigate wars that in actuality have nothing to do with the average person, working at Kmart. Why should they have to die for that? I personally say why have a military? We can just put the rich and powerful in a pit with their big weapons on mass destruction, and turn each other into a pleasing pink mess. Then we can all live out our lives without worry. However, I would have to disrupt westernized social roles, Capitalism, and every major government in the world.... (sigh) damn unmovable sheep.
Anyway, you can clearly see from this little portion of my thought process, that with my current social schema on the military is very ridged and reinforced by logic. It’s not easy to sway and I am not willing to let it (unless I receive new data I cannot foresee at this moment).
Thank you for not taking it badly Dolo, I did not intend it to be that way. And I am not a hippie; I bathe.

 

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  posted on 14/5/2003 at 10:12 PM
I wanted to join the navy for a little while there...I even talked to a recruiter. Turns out that there are certain things that are barring me from enlisting. Go figure.
My advice would be to look at all you options, look at the good and the bad, talk to people, and make up your own damn mind. Don't let your family or friends make the decision for you.
And Anemone, that was beautiful. Seriously. Now lets go visit your dad.

 

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  posted on 16/5/2003 at 10:07 AM
Give me the army any day.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2003 at 09:14 AM
Ok kidies, Every one of your views are correct. Except that body hair thing. I do have a happy trail, and alot of navy wemon look like an ape. Yes this means I am in the navy. As i write this i am sitting off the coast of india coming back from this war. I grew up in a town outside New Orleans joined straght from high school. Went to IL. for nine mounths for AECF school (advance electronics computer field); not includeing boot camp. IL was fun to hang out in. than went to MS for four mounths of callibration school. Now i am stationed in san diego. That means intoxicate trips to mexico and a three hour drive to Los angels. As far as going to war well; I hate to say it but been there done that. I sat in side a ac'ed lab banging my head on the bulk head for a ale. They let us off at dubai (a nation of United Arab Nations) and a got my ale. Now I am headed to Australia, than HI.
Navy life has its good days and the bad ones. For example some times the people you work with just rub you wrong. than the sup. walks in and one has a black eye and the other a bloody lip. Than you hit port and ya'll buy each other a beer. Problem solved. you do spend alot of time away from home.
The bottom line is that life is full of trade offs. It's your choice.
if any body wants to e-mail me about it my address is [email protected]

 

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  posted on 7/6/2003 at 12:44 PM
I have a guy in the army, but nothing more or less. There is VERY little contact between us dominantly for this reason.


 

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  posted on 9/6/2003 at 08:46 PM
This has nothing to do with the military dealie of this forum, but...
WOOHOO! SAN DIEGO RULES!!!!
...Thank you, and good night.

 

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  posted on 16/6/2003 at 06:51 PM
Oh fuck me running,

First, Geist was in the AIR FORCE!!!!!!

Stic, for someone I have never met, I fucking can't stand your "opinions" on the Military. You have no FUCKING clue what the Military is. I work in a god damn Hospital. I have never killed or been asked to kill anyone. If you did any type of research on Military life you would know that only 30% if that go to war, in battle. They get there orders for the big dogs in Washington and then trickles down the chain to where our boys go to war. The rest of us work in areas where we don't even get affected by a war. I go to work and fix computers, I finish my day and go home. AND THAT MAKES ME A MURDERER. Go fuck yourself you fucking fag. I'm sorry to easily offended people, but this is it. Stic, I can't stand you, you so claim to be open minded but your not and never will be. Fuck it. If this site is gunna keep posting this assholes anti-military bullshit, I'm done paying for it. I work my god damn ass off for my Navy and don't get much in return and im happy. But when it comes to fucking queers who have no balls and at least support the Men and Women who OBEY THERE ORDERS and risk there lives EVERY GOD DAMN DAY and PRAY AND CRY THAT THEY DON'T DIE THAT DAY! Its people like you that spit on them when they come home and I bet you do, or wish you had the fucking balls because you know you would get your brains kicked in. Teach yourself about the things you hate other then the news you son of a bitch.

 

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  posted on 17/6/2003 at 12:40 AM
Oh Morte, I missed you so. And I do say that in all seriousness.

 

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  posted on 17/6/2003 at 01:27 AM
Speaking entirely from the bias of someone who devours sailors for sustenance (and good, clean fun) I whole-heartedlt reccommend yoo join the Navy as soon as yoo possibly can and strive to get yorself on a boat (any boat as long as it goes across the ocean) as soon as yoo possibly can!

It's a great deal! They give yoo a free funeral and everything!

 

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