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bettie_x
Extreme Fanatic   Posts: 1570 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 15/7/2003 at 11:07 PM |
!!NO IMMUNITY!!! *WHACK* DOWN WITH IMMUNITY!!
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Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas.
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Domkitten
Fanatic   Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 15/7/2003 at 11:26 PM |
Alright, and do pardon me if I stutter as the keyboard I'm typing on today
has a sticky space bar.
RavenS you reallyshould be thanking me. I realize that for you mine was
just the random bitch assholic comment, but see hear the forum you created
was entitled immature assholes, and therein lies the problem.
An asshole, buy its nature, is a changing and chamelion thing of character
and depth. At one time everyone has been, is, or will be an asshole, as the
law of asshole goes. You see to these assholic people whom you describe at
school you are probably just as much an asshole in their eyes as they are
in yours. Their reasons for thinking you an asshole are probably similair
to your reasons for thinking me an asshole.
Now this is the thing about assholes, everyone has one. There is a personal
asshole for everyone that posts at shmeng, whether real or imagined. By the
nature of an online community everyone has perceived friends, and then
there are the perceived assholes.
And though Devin is frequently the diety of my desire, numerous people have
come through here (usually whining about the goth test for some reason) to
decry our Long Haired Lord, what, yes, and elitist asshole.
So you, see, Raven, what you have learned here is a lesson. There are
assholes everywhere. They can be both mature and immature, and when you
leave high school and get a job, wait till you see the kind of assholes you
will have to deal with then.
At the moment you can only reflect on they highly gratuitious nature of the
highschool assholes that you have to deal with now, but as you move on down
the road and grow and develop more, you will learn that the high school
assholes are really just small time assholes compared to the assholes you
will be begging for employment, kissing to get better grades, bowing down
to for diplomas, paying your rent to, and dating.
Yes, shmeng, like all places has it's fair share of perceived assholes for
everyone, I have been both the asshole and the assee (well person who
thinks of others as assholes) and I can only say that for all of that, my
ass is just tighter, and the stick just a little farther in.
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It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 15/7/2003 at 11:28 PM |
| I want to make a quick apology to anyone offended by my gratuitous use of
the word asshole. I promise that in the future when writing about the
nature of the asshole, that I shall use the word asshole less in my highly
assholeic replies. ____________________
It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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RavensSoul
Member   Posts: 63 Registered: 27/3/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2003 at 11:17 AM |
| I understand your little philosophy of "assholeness" and it makes perfect
sense. I would say I'm sorry for my groundless words against, you, but I
don't believe them to be groundless and I don't believe in saying sorry
when no sympathy is felt, however I wasn't thinking about * and I don't
want this to sound offensive in any way at all* I wasn't thinking about me
being a teenager and you being however old you are, though I'm pretty sure
you're an adult and much older than me. You have more experience in these
things and it can be left at that. ____________________
In my eyes, to be human is not to be able to live and die, but it is to
feel pain, love, happiness, and all other things that keep our hearts from
freezing over into the bloody ice that distinguishes man from the beasts of
night.
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AloneSoul
Fanatic  Posts: 522 Registered: 6/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2003 at 03:06 PM |
| *is cuffed and gagged with a red rubber ball in his mouth* ____________________
 but at least you know, just how much pain there is in living
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Schizo
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 897 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2003 at 05:48 PM |
You must realize, Dom, that a highschooler is a highschooler. They are not
college-age, nor are they in their late twenties, thirties, forties, or
fifties. They (with a few exceptions) have not raised children, held
serious jobs, or been in truly serious relationships.
This is not their fault. No one can help their age or stage in life. We
all go through these things. We have all been highschoolers, unless we
dropped out, or were homeschooled.
The plight of a highschooler is a hard one. They are surrounded by as full
a roster of nasty and difficult people as anyone else, with little
experience and even less sympathy. A younger child would be more
protected, with parents up-in-arms at the mistreatment. An older adult
would have more resources for defense.
Take, for example, an adult at a job with an asshole boss. The adult has
two decisions: deal, or leave. Now consider a highschooler with an asshole
teacher. The highschooler has one choice: deal. Think how frustrating
that can be. Think how frustrating that was. And with next to no
life-experience, dealing is a difficult task.
The highschooler is a caged beast with sticks being poked at it almost
constantly. Its task is to make it through its period of encarceration
intact, and hopefully with some knowledge tucked under its belt. (Do
beasts have belts?) To those outside the cage, the awkward and ungraceful
motions the highschooler twists its body through to avoid and react to the
sticks seem ridiculous, and even annoying. Why do they not just ignore the
sticks? Or if they must dodge and writhe, at least do it in a more
attractive manner?
We get irritated with the highschooler for their juvenile issues. But what
else would a juvenile have but juvenile issues? Do we mock the baby for
crying when it's bottle gets taken away? Why not? After all, how juvenile
can you get?
Juvenility is not a sin for a juvenile. It is only when adults, with the
resources and experience that adults have obtained, act like juveniles that
we should truly react in disgust and censure.
Very interesting observation on the asshole phenomenon, Dom, by the way! ____________________
"You can tell by the scars on my arms and the cracks in my hips and the
dents in my car and the blisters on my lips that I'm not the carefullest of
girls." - Dresden Dolls, "Girl Anachronism"
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2003 at 06:37 PM |
Hey! You enjoy it! *evi-eye@AloneSoul**snickers and uncuffs him*
Yeaup. Interesting indeed. I'll agree that we all have some assholeness
in each of us. Those "assholes" could have been sh*tted on themselves and
thus, will continue the cycle until someone goes in enough self-realization
to break it from their side. My ramblings, though...
Then there's some people that have the "asshole" demeanor to build a
backbone or a defense mechanism...
[Edited on 7/17/2003 by Anya]
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chameleon
Member  Posts: 83 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2003 at 07:59 PM |
Thank you Schizo for explaining our highschooler plight to everyone... If
I'd have thought of that, I would have said it. I believe Meatloaf once
sang, "you took the words right out of my mouth," but thats not the
point... So long as everyone is bitching about SOMETHING, let me say I love
music, but greatly dislike just about everyone in it. As far as I'm
concerned, band is nothing but a bunch of powerhungry, doublecrossing,
asskissing, all-for-one-none-for-anyone-else dipshits trying to get a good
resume o they can slave for the rest of their lives at a job that they
don't like but pays well, because my generation knows that money and power
ar more important than friends and family.
Ok, there's my forum rant! I hope everyone is happy! Lets all think about
what we've said and relaize that this type of thing should be applied
annualy, and onlly used topically  ____________________
The perfect mind is like a mirror. It grasps nothing. It expects nothing.
It reflects but does not hold. Therefore, the perfect man can act without
effort.
~Chuang Tsu
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Kira
Member  Posts: 149 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 16/7/2003 at 10:24 PM |
quote:
I would like to think
that his toys and pets dont get a free ride to be whiny bitchy useless
carpet lint.
Unless you're into that kind of thing, of course. ____________________
Wind me up and make me crawl to you, tie me up until I call to you.
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Domkitten
Fanatic Posts: 470 Registered: 23/9/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 03:44 AM |
Heya, Schizo, good to see you around again....
Some more on this and since I promised I would no longer use asshole in my
rants on assholic phenominon I will now refrain from using the word asshole
and instead use butt-ringer, which is a bit more polite.
Okay, so this was the only real probelm I had with what you post Schiz, is
that the only choice a high schooler has is to deal. I don't think that is
neccesarily true, even at the high school level, however that is what we
teach in school and in life, we teach that you have only two choices deal
or leave.
I refuse to teach that to anyone. Raven, although talked down to by a real
butt-ringer (namely myself) did not just deal or leave, but instead stood
up (granted with some back up) and had it out with me, he stood up for
himself and called me on it.
A high schooler, a child really at any age, needs to know that dealing and
leaving are not the only ways in which to deal with a butt-ringer teacher,
or really any butt-ringer. You have options, if you choose to take them,
you can as R did, stand up and say "Hey your a butt-ringer", you can
overcome, you can outnumber, you can outclass, you can motivate yourself
beyond the butt-ringers, and become a better person. Of course, you will
have to accept that fact that while doing this, you yourself may become a
butt-ringer to many of the people you know who would rather you just lie
down in the mud and deal or leave.
I hate dealing. Dealing is just not a good way to go through a life
surrounded by butt-ringers. Sometimes you need action. Leaving is the worst
action because then the butt-ringers feel justified. I'm a teacher, in
Korea, so maybe that effects my attitude towards shool in general but let
me demonstrate, or at least give a partial example:
In Korea people stare at me. Not just a quick glance, or a look you in the
eyes for a few seconds stare, or a suruptitious I'm looking but I don't
want you to know that I I'm looking, no, we are talking about, "oh my god
you have an alien growing out of your back, point stare and giggle with
friends." Now, on most occasions Koreans are fairly polite, and I
understand the desire to stare a foreigner. I do look different from them.
On the other hand when a group of butt-ringer teenagers starts in on me, I
walk up to them and politely ask them what the fuck they are looking at.
Now, this may seem like truly butt-ringer behaviour, but you have to
remember all of these kids see foriegners everyday, we teach them, they
learn from us, they work with us, to the teens and young kids here,
foriegners are an everyday thing. Rather than deal and ignore them, or just
leave and walk away, I confront the issue, thereby making myself feel a
little bit better, and perhaps teaching them a lesson about being polite.
These are not the only butt-ringers in my day to day life, truly there are
a great deal of them, and they have to learn to deal with me, because I
simply refuse to deal with them. I propose that even in high school one has
the ability to confront the day-to-day butt-ringers and let them know about
the butt-ringing.
In high school I passed a girl once and said something under my breath to
the tune of dammit, because I dropped my book. She thought I called her a
nigger. We had geometry together. She walked up to me in geometry and asked
me what I had said in the hall. She was ready to fight. She was a real
butt-ringer, was regularly suspended, and enjoyed hitting people, and
generally making people feel small. I looked at her and looked at the
clock, and told her that school was out in two hours, it was 40 minutes to
lunch, I had a headache, and if she really cared that much we could go out
and fight, but seeing as how the teacher is sitting there watching us maybe
that's not such a good idea, so could you just go away please. The
butt-ringer was floored, called me a butt-ringer, and a bitch for good
measure, and never bothered me again. I did not deal, or leave, I held my
ground.
Yes, it's difficult to be anywhere near a butt-ringer, and the butt-ringers
of the world who truly enjoy being butt-ringers make life more difficult
for all of use, but I propose that by dealing and leaving, you simply give
into the butt-ringers there-by making their jobs easier. Fuck that, if
people really want to be butt-ringers make them work for it. Teachers
included. Most teachers, or teaching proffesionals, have enough to do
already and if you really make them work to be a butt-ringer they will
generally stop because they just run out of time to be butt-ringers, my
experience.
I don't know Schizo, it just seems to me like dealing and leaving are the
roads of least resistance, and doesn't that pave the way to do the door of
or the Walmart or something like that.
[Edited on 7/18/2003 by Domkitten] ____________________
It's like kegel exercises for your throat.~Monolycus
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Psychopixi
Fanatic  Posts: 376 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 04:36 AM |
Schizo / Domkitten: You've both made really good points, and I'm grateful
to both of you for explaining something I couldn't think of a decent way to
write. I think Schizo's got it right when she says that to expect anything
more than juvenile actions from a juvenile may be expecting too much. For
the most part, we don't have as many life experiences as grown ups. We
don't have to worry about jobs, or rent, or rearing children. Those
responsibilities haven't been placed on us yet, so we don't know what it is
like to deal with them. What we do know about is school, boy/girlfriends,
mean people. We also know that you grown ups have already gone through all
these things and so may be a little (or a lot) intolerant of us when we
complain about them. Now, although the way these problems are presented
could be changed so that they read a bit better, that doesn't change the
fact that they *are* problems and by the grown ups taking a 'been there,
done that' attitude it's like they're saying our problems are petty and
irrelevant, just because we're younger.
I think that Domkitten got it right on the head, however, when she said
that we have three choices: deal, leave or confront the problem. Hell,
that's a life lesson - if you have a problem you confront it. I agree with
what she said. The only problem is that, as a teenager, it can be difficult
to confront some things. Teachers can give detention, or suspend you from
school. Parents can ground you or stop your pocket money. By standing up to
one issue, you could be bringing even more problems on yourself. As Schizo
mentioned, teenagers don't have as many coping resources as an adult would.
It's hard to know *how* to handle a situation, especially when there is the
risk of more hassle as a result of your actions. Maybe the teenager
complaining about their "butt-ringer" teacher (and by the way Domkitten,
thank you for introducing me to that term) really just needs, and wants, to
be shown how they can stand up for themselves. ____________________
Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life.
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callei
Extreme Fanatic  Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 05:36 AM |
Complaining where you think there is no risk not facing or dealing with a
problem. Be prepared for the risk (and identify what the cost for you
action will be: suspension, detention, getting kicked out, getting yelled
at, having you privilages stopped, whatever) and then do what you think is
right. when the cost comes due, whine about that.
That is the lesson of becoming a grown-up. that you start to pick your
battles and actually fight them. and pay the price, good and bad, for that
fight. I think to some degree that "teenage" whining is bothersome because
we know that they are just whining, they are not going to try to make it
better or different. They are just going to keep whining about the same
thing. there is nothing anyone can say that will help, change the tone or
point of the whining, or even commiserate.
But the fact that we dont just delete those threads does say something, i
think. ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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RavensSoul
Member Posts: 63 Registered: 27/3/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 10:10 AM |
This is getting pretty interesting, see, some good can come from teenage
whinning. We're having a nice little debate about what it is to be a
teenager or adult, making choices and dealing with the consequences of our
actions.
Some very good points have been made and all of them are very true in their
own ways. I really can't think of anything I'd like to add to this, but I
am really happy with what this forum has turned into. And for future
reference, Domkitten, I am a girl. Not a he. ____________________
In my eyes, to be human is not to be able to live and die, but it is to
feel pain, love, happiness, and all other things that keep our hearts
from
freezing over into the bloody ice that distinguishes man from the beasts
of
night.
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callei
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 759 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 10:47 AM |
Raven? does it matter what sex you are to anyone here, well unless they or
you are picky AND think that you want to have sex?
giggle
*no more sugar for me so early in the day* ____________________
Real goths wear silver and crosses to keep the werewolves and vampires
away.
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Squire-of-Gothos
Fanatic  Posts: 206 Registered: 1/1/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 11:37 AM |
Up until recently, I'd have ranted and raved and bitched about school here
too. Becasue up unitl recently I was a good old fashioned high school
student. Shopped at hot topic, shoulder length hair, fuck authority, et
all. But then I decided action had to be taken. So I dropped out, cut my
hair, got a job, went to college, joined the film club and the college
paper, and bought some jeans. Now I'm not saying there is anything wrong
with highschool: because when you are 20 something you bitch too. just
about paying off student loans, and bank statemetns and getting a raise.
But the repetetiveness of this shit is out of hand. Vent, have fun, vent =
gooooood. But holy shit try and turn it into something productive or try to
change the system, or change yourself. There is a measuable limit to how
much bitching will get you, an as a 16 yar old in college, surrounded with
college students, I can tell you that shit don't fly.
Don't like your professor? Change him. You still don't like it. Your a
shitty student. Flunk and lose money. Period.
Life is hard? Congrads! epiphany #1 of
4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
is taken care of!
And flaming fires of hell the word poseur is like a cancer! Honestly people
does being called a poser, or losing a friend who doesn't care for you (and
that youve known for a semester) or being an ediot and dating shit sucking
prick that dumps you really the bane of your existance? It sucks, but I
should hope you care a smiggen for slightly more important things like:
Trust
Understanding
Your future
Life
Death
Discovering the real you (sans
stupid nitwits telling you whats up)
The rain forest.
wake up. please.......... ____________________
“The only thing that can alter the good writer is death.”
“You know that if I were reincarnated, I’d want to come back a buzzard.
Nothing hates him. He is never bothered or in danger, and he can eat
anything.”
Faulkner
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RavensSoul
Member Posts: 63 Registered: 27/3/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 12:41 PM |
| Sorries callei, but I am kinda picky about being called a boy. Up until
about 7th grade I looked pretty boyish * goddamn puberty taking forever*
and that's one of many things that has emotionally fucked me up. It's not a
problem anymore, the looking like a boy thing, but for some reason, it
still bothers me immensely. ____________________
In my eyes, to be human is not to be able to live and die, but it is
to
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feel pain, love, happiness, and all other things that keep our hearts
from
freezing over into the bloody ice that distinguishes man from the beasts
of
night.
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RavensSoul
Member Posts: 63 Registered: 27/3/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 09:50 PM |
Sorry, once again. But I'm temporarily reverting this chatroom back to what
it once was, cuz I need some advice about a certain something.
I just found out that the guy I lost my innocence to *who, i no longer have
romantic feelings for* cheated on his girlfriend with me... and it makes me
feel sick what a dog he is and I feel guilty about it because apparently
she's really in love with him. I know I can't change the past and I know I
can't change what kind of a person he is... but any one got any ideas about
how to cope with this scum of the earth feeling I have??? 
Today was his and her's 3 month anniversary. ____________________
In my eyes, to be human is not to be able to live and die, but it is
to
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feel pain, love, happiness, and all other things that keep our hearts
from
freezing over into the bloody ice that distinguishes man from the
beasts
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of
night.
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Anya
Extreme Fanatic Posts: 656 Registered: 31/12/1969 Status: Offline
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posted on 18/7/2003 at 10:55 PM |
I would say that you should somehow 'diplomatically' confess to the girl
he's with, but some stuff also is best to be quiet about. The question
here, however, is, "Which is more important, reputation or precautions?"
These two things (and likely more possibilities) could happen in this
situation:
1) She'll hate your guts for ever touching her boyfriend.
2) Later, out of the blue, she'll get hurt and confused over actually
finding out what guy he is.
Of course, there's the other possibility that the man might have a change
of heart......but that stuff normally does not happen over night.
My two cents. Best of luck. 
[Edited on 7/19/2003 by Anya]
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AloneSoul
Fanatic Posts: 522 Registered: 6/7/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/7/2003 at 03:25 PM |
heh, well I can't complain about being chained up but now that I can speak:
You have to remember that you were not aware of what happened RS. Don't
blame yourself for something like that, aye? The guy should have known
better than to do what he did. He fucked up, not you. ____________________
SRC="http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/snes/ff6/images/characters/kefka.gi
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size=1> but at least you know, just how much pain there is in living
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PoeticChaos
Occasional Poster   Posts: 23 Registered: 14/12/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 19/7/2003 at 07:09 PM |
*apologizing in advance* I'm sorry for what I'm about to say and Raven I
know you'll probably hate me for this a little later but it has to be said.
He's not the only one who screwed up, you did too. *is not going to try to
not go into too much detail on how* I mean there was the whole age
difference thing to begin with and that was mainly his fault, he should
have been intellegent enough to keep his dick in his pants and himself out
of your home. But there is more blame here, you could have said no, you
knew it was illegal and that you had a relationship at the time (even if it
was only a few days old, it still existed). Then again, the relationship
thing was both of you, I know you didn't know about his, but you knew about
your own, as did he about his own. So even though he's hurt you and he's
scum and so on and so forth, you both had these and plenty more reasons to
not have done what you did. I'm sorry I had to be the one to say it, but
I'm (as far as I know) the only one here who knows what happened and almost
the whole of both sides of the story.
*drops back into the shadows of her usual corner and waits to be called out
and yelled out again*
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