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  posted on 31/8/2002 at 09:19 AM
This is sort of a follow up forum on ThatOneWastedChickīs story-The Boyfriend Article. Now I can understand a girl or guy at ANY age being angry about something like a backstabbing friend. But at 13 feeling incomplete without a guy is crazy.
Women have strived for independence. To be more than just a mother or a housewife, or a teacher. To do "man" jobs; construction, running a business. Theyīve done a lot without having a man by their side and who says that a 13 year old girl needs a guy? She was very right, girls need to be focusing more on school rather than the opposite sex.
But seriously, look at the times. Guys go around calling all women "bitches" and they think theyīre all thugs and pimps. Thereīs absolutely NO respect whatsoever with these guys. But the girls are so straight forward! Itīs like theyīve never heard of playing hard to get. Really it just makes them look like little sluts. I see it all the time. But what can you expect? What with their new "freak dancing." And people thought the jitter bug was bad. Freak dancing is like having sex on the dance floor. Iīd rather waltz!
Now Iīve seen the girls and how they just hover over the guys. At a varsity football game last night it was terrible. I was sitting with a bunch of my gal pals and all the other girls were touching and grabbing and kissing and hugging on these guys. Weīre talking about 13 and 14 year old girls.
Shouldnīt kids still be a little bit afraid of the opposite sex or am I just really really really old fashioned? I mean, should the girls really be fearless enough to go around grabbing guys..you know where.
When the teacher asked "what are you interested in" half the girls in my class said "boys." The teacher was talking about careers. So what, they want to be prostitutes? Maybe Iīm being too harsh.
At this age it should be more along the lines of, when you have a "boyfriend" hes a boy thats a friend that you might kiss once in a while that you can talk to. Not someone that you get it on with an hour after dating.
Seriously though, suicide? Now none of the girls I know have ever contemplated suicide over a guy. No one needs friends who are that hung up over guys, really. They just drain your energy and they donīt take your advice. When they do they donīt appreciate it.
The girls donīt realize the consequences of their actions either. They earn titles that arenīt flattering and there are a lot of STDīs out there. Going to clubs and getting it on with guys theyīve known for an hour isnīt very smart but theyīll do it.
If a guy really thinks Iīm going to stand for rude questions and actions heīs got another thing coming. It seems like theres only three or four girls who demand respect, three of four girls at my school who are right in the mind! You canīt really blame it all on these guys though. The "popular" girls encourage it and I guess naturally they think all girls will stand for it. Sexual harassment is at an all time high in my school but no one seems to call it that. Itīs what they want. Iīve reported it several times and Iīve gotten guys suspended for it.
You grab me, Iīll slap you. Itīs just the way it works. If girls donīt stand up for themselves when it comes to this stuff then guys think they own them. And theyīre right, actually, because then the girls donīt say no to anything. When youīre 13 you shouldnīt be giving guys what they want and thereīs no way horomones is a valid excuse.
How could a 13 year old girl possibly respect herself after that? That all would only lead to low self esteem. Keep focused on what youīre going to do with your life and then see if you can fit CASUAL dating in LATER. Itīs not like the guys are going anywhere.

 

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  posted on 3/9/2002 at 11:27 AM
Why a girl is a slut if she does it, but not a guy:

It is widely regarded by most of the teenage populous that it is more difficult to get a girl to have sex than a guy.
Therefore, a guy who has a lot of sex thrown at him is both envied by his peers to a point of Caesar-like conspiracy of betrayal. Every other guy wants to be the popular guy, so thereīs a lot of competition to get there, and the popular guy is even more despised behind his back than anyone else.
While, if a girl goes out and does the same thing, it is widely regarded then that any guy could get her-- therefore sullying the value of romantic evenings with the female in question, and reducing her status as someone who is īeasyī to achieve.
As I have no idea what women think of a īsluttyī girl, I would imagine the same despisation goes on behind her back as does the popular guy.

 

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  posted on 3/9/2002 at 02:40 AM
Yeah, hereīs to Soma... (Brave New World)

 

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  posted on 3/9/2002 at 01:39 AM
To paraphrase a line from Trainspotting(a really good movie, a much better book):

"Sex is changing every day. In 30 years, it wonīt matter who youīre banging, as long as somebody else is in the room with you. In 300 years, even that wonīt matter, who knows if there will be rooms or sex or even people, but there will still be the orgasm."

But who cares.
Who needs sex when you have CS.

EAT DEAGLE YOU CLIPPY BASTARD! :evil:

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 04:20 PM
-=Cross legged, sips tea, smiles and glows in enlightenment=-
"Oh lord of my own ego, you do not exist. You are true illusion." :lol:

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 02:59 PM
Umm, Shirley Temple, Not Shirley McClain. And once again, sex is sex is sex. The ones who are ready will have it when they are ready. Others will have sex too early and will learn from their experience. still others will never have sex and never miss it. We are not in a position to judge the world, or even our peers based on our own meager experiences in this world. For some 12 year olds, the time is right for their virginity to become a thing of the past. For some 40 year olds there will never be a right time.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 02:51 PM
Hmmm...Where to start here.
White night: Does anyone else know the kiss of death that is being called a "Nice guy"?

Teenage sluts: Why does it count as a slut if a girl does it, but a three point shot if a guy does?

Fag: When i was a kid, it was just as derogatory term as it is to grade school kids these days. Before then it was a different term, but same tune.

Underage sex: Donīt get me started, when I was underage, I couldnīt wait to have it. Now that Iīm older, i still canīt wait. I have friends who had no interest then and have very little interest now. I know people who span the entire spectrum. Why do the ones who are interested and self-confident enough to try it get stigmatized?

Pedophilia: I throwing this in because I think itīs important to differentiate between conenting kids playing everything from toesies to hide the sausage, and adults playing mind fuck the eight year old. Also, the same adult playing mind fuck the teenager is a statutory issue, not on of pedophaeila. Either way I tend to think itīs wrong, but thatīs because i know I have more experience and knowledge of people places and things. I can talk a line slicker than most fourteen year olds and could very easliy talk some teeny bopper into doing something She or he was not really comforable with. And hereīs the kicker, i might not even notice i was talking them into it. For me it might just be forplay...

Make-up/clothes on girls of any age: At what point did we becomoe so tempo..tempor..so time centric? Has anyone actually watched any of those old Shirley McClain shorts on A&E? I mean that is a chick who was dressed up in the shortest skirt they could get there hands on, then they added underskirts to make the skirts shorter and more showy, and then they had her dancing flapper steps. For the uninitiated, those are pretty much the rave steps of today. Oh, and she was like 8 then.
Now the teenagers and adults of today are becoming the newest target of hatred, fear and loathing. Whatīs that all about? Girls wear clothes that are too revealing and they are sluts, they wear clothes that are too loose and they are ashamed and having body issues, they wear well fitted clothing and they are snobs. Itīs the same for guys, too loose and they are slobs, to tight and they are gigolo bois caught up in the eighties (raises hand) just right and they *must* be gay. What the fuck is that all about? Iīll tell you. As a young child i was taught to fear anything different. Iīm not going to generalize here, Iīm going to blatantly accuse everyone of this. From Devin straight on down the line. And I can use Devin as an example because i know he can take it. When a cop pulls up behind Devin he fears the harrassment because those police believe in a different social heirarchy than he does. If I see a militant jock behind me on a dark street here i fear that because i know they believe they have more right to the worlds resources than I, and are often in a state where it seems like a good idea to make sure they donīt have to share. That same jock is threatened by me because i represent a totally different way of life than he has been raised to believe is right. same thing for the Cop pulling Devin over. We are all conditioned to fear those who are different both because they push the boundaries of what we believe are "right" and because occasionally they may try to push their way of life on us; either through violence or through taking over the majority of those around us.

Is sex...?: Why limit this question with an adjective? Sex is just sex, with it comes many complications, but we have protections against all of them. Condoms for STDs, birthcontrol and sterilization for pregnancy, emotional stability and a good circle of friends for that fawning puppy-love that often follows a good orgasm, Heh, guns for those that would blackmail us... We donīt have to stigmatize those who are comfortable with their bodies. I donīt know how much more clearly I can state this. For examlary purposes letīs look at a few other ideas. Some people will share intimacy in every other way, video games, sleep overs, secrets, money, love even. These people will then turn around and blast the person who shares their body. Whatīs wrong with this picture? Iīll tell you, our bodies are no dofferent than our minds and yet we try to make those who would share one so much worse than those who would share the other. Thatīs wrong.

Suicidal tendancies: On this topic alone I could rant for ages. Some people are by nature suicidal, I should know having fought my own battles over this in the past. Perhaps, just perhaps; instead of turning the fact that a girl tries/wants to kill herself over the loss of a boyfriend, perhaps we should be sympathetic and ask if she is merely looking for an excuse.
Why would a person want to end it all? For me, at one time, boredom was enough of an answer. The slightest disappointment was enough to push me over the edge, and from there it was a short step to my next attempt. In my case i didnīt reach out for help, I didnīt ask for attention, i just wanted off the bus at the next available stop. Thankfully, I seem to be on the express route to the end of the line. And if that methaphor abuse doesnīt get me arrested by the grammar police, maybe it will get some of this message across.

If a person; male, female, young, old, pretty or ugly attempts to take their life, cuts themselves where it may or may not show, sleeps with whoever they can, or acts in any manner which you canīt quantify, pause before you throw Shmeng, and think about whether your own activities are above reproach. Ask yourself if those people might be better served by a hug and a gentle "would you like to talk?" Or perhaps just some threat free friendship. How often would that have helped you?

-Tired of the bigotry and the hatred-
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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 01:47 PM
*goes into little kid mode*


but, but, but I was here and had her Fiiiiiiiiirrrrrst!

*sniffle* :oops:

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 12:45 PM
About GTA3, itīs fun to beat people with bats. *smiles*

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 12:28 PM
No Ryoko is mine! :-x

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 12:27 PM
Fifteen. I think Fifteen you may have the compasity to start sexuality activity. 17 is a good age to have sexual intercourse. Yes, I agree about the age in conjunction with child birth, somewhat genetically healthier and safer. And I have absolutely no shame towards sex (for christīs sakes I date men sometimes). As for masturbation, fore play, etc. I recommend it (am a neglected nympho, I think there should be more)! But intercourse is too risky for a young American teenager to be having. I cannot enforce this upon anyone, NOR would I. And when I was referring to age being a factor, I was pointing towards both sexes. Also I said sexuality and relationship philosophy should begin at the latest age 8. People need to be educated. Callei do you honestly believe with the sex education provided by American public schools really teaches them anything important? Does it teach them anything other than shame of sex, vague ideas of relationships, naiveté of the mechanics of the human body (mainly reproductive system), and a paranoid fear of STDs? Sex should not be something to fear or shame, I would never think like that. Because of the system, I don’t think teens (as well as many adults) are having sex and understanding it. I think they are just fucking because they have an urge to, and it seems like they should. There is no sentience in that. What makes that more special than another animal? In that case, I propose more bestiality and sex with inanimate objects. Might as well fuck things that don’t think about it as well.
We cannot stop young teenagers having sex, nor should we. But I think they take it to a dark place, confused and structured by non-sequitr ideas invented by the media and society. I think teens need enrichment! Not vile relationships, infected genitals, and a baby.....
(now the one sided angsty teen opinion section)
And I have never said anything against women, but fuck my generation of females (except Cashmere, she is a shining example of woman). Perhaps they will grow up some day, but it doesn’t look like it. I said my generation of girls were a disgrace to what the feminist revolution stood for. They have become property: I want a cattle prod. I want to cattle prod them to a ranch, give them feed bags, and tape their eyelids open, and force them to watch hours of documentaries on womenīs history. Other wise I am just going to open up a brothel, these girls aren’t going to amount to nothing more. Might was well make profit.
And men!!!! They suck statistically towards sex! They need to be educated too, just like the women. Same scenario, same women’s history lesson. The average American male can’t cry! What kind of culture does that? And how are they supposed to appreciate a partner without emotion? (again mindless fucking. it’s pointless.)
On another note, I know more about female (and obviously male too) than every girl I have talked to in my school (again with the exception of cashmere)
I say “Labia”
They say “Is that a herb?”

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 12:03 PM
white night syndrome? hmmm. *skritches head*

Sticupus change your icon!

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 11:18 AM
going by laws, the age of consent is somewhere between 12 and never. Preteen means under 13. thirTEEN is teen. I am not advocating teen sex as such, its not my job. Teens will continue to have sex the same as they always have.
At what age to you think a person is old enough to start accepting that nature wants them to breed? 16 when they are legal to use heavy machinery (unless they live on a farm and then the age is more like 12-14 in most states)? 14 when most uni-god religions accept boys as men (even tho females mature faster)? 18 when you stop being owned by your parents (for the most part) and are therefor liabel for yourself? How about 21; that is the age, in states that allow it at all, that you are finally old enough to go into shops that sell sexual items?

As far as teen abortion (one of the effects of sex), there are fewer unweb teen mothers today that there has EVER been in the history of the US, by pure numbers. The average age of a woman that has an abortion is more like 25 than 13.

And for the record, owning your sexuality DOES NOT mean having sex that may lead to babies. What about masterbation? What about kissing? What about cuddling? What about sexy thoughts? Are these not "sexual behavior" as well?

Is it somehow Wrong that women get horny? Even young women before being old enough to vote? Are they not allowed to enjoy thier own bodies and the appriciate the bodies of others? Are you really suggesting that you have the right to regulate someone elseīs sexuality so much so that it is illegal (as in you go to jail) for it? Arent we past regulating sexuality? isnt that a big part of the gay pride movement, the urban tribal movement, feminism, and so many more that i could list.

Just because people live longer does not mean that the best age to have kids, biologically, has changed. pregnancy in the late 20s to 30s is considered an "At Risk" pregnancy. the 40s are always called high risk. There is also copious medical research that indicates that the older your father is at the time of your conception, the shorter your life will be. The idea being that old sperm has more mutations than younger sperm.
The older you are as a woman when you have kids, the harder it is on your body, including skeleton and organs, and the older your eggs are. The rate of birth defects in children born to mothers over 30 as compared to those born to mothers under 20 is quite wide.

i know you are too bright to buy into the idea the laws ( you must be 18 no matter how long you have had boobs and a mind of your own) are there to protect girls. I know you are bright enough to know that those laws are there and are acted on to reinforce the idea that sex is bad, women are evil, stupid and property, and men are animals.
After all the 3 best ways to control or torture people are thru food, sex, and sleep.
alarm clocks, diets, and sex as sin are all great ways to keep people feeling bad about themselves and shameful and thereby controling large populations thru ye olde "divide and conquer".

How old is old enough to you? go on tell me you little flirt...

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 09:24 AM
Oh and the 18 years of age thing being an oldish age to have kids, was because the human life span was much shorter. When people were 18 say in the middle ages, they were (no pun intended) middle aged. Today the life span is longer hence the socially acceptable age range for sex and recreational adult things is 18 or 21. (I know you know this) O_O

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 09:07 AM
I am going to apply the bell curve theory to this. Not everything progresses forever. And preteens should not be fucking callei.... If you want that, I will send you the newborns since the mothers will be unable to care for them, and all abortion clinic biological waste by the bucketful that is produced as well.
I am a fashion nazi, those clothes defeat the purpose of clothing. I insist that we all stop wearing clothes if this trend continues. If we are all going to be this tacky and naked, might as well go all the way and create a nudist society.... We can just carry blankets if we get cold and have the need to fuck a preteen. (because thatīs the way the have done it for millennia and in the middle east.. that makes it right).
Oh and I say this because in modern American society you are considered subhuman as far as rights go until you are 18. You are a legal adult when you are 18, not 13... I was not speaking of stripping the sexuality of these teens, but I still do not think preteens should be fucking. There are laws that will support me as well. In the American culture (and I am sure I should not be arguing with you about sociology but I think you must be drunk) it is not accepted to have sex and children at 13 years of age.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 08:24 AM
up until a few years ago (historically speaking) 13 was a "good" age for a girl to start being a sexual creature. even 30 years ago you were an old maid if you were married with kids by 18.
physically it is normal for 12 year old girls to start wanting to get some, thier bodies are ready, or nearly ready, to have babies. after all it wasnt very long ago that girls were put on the marriage market at 15-16 and if they waited until they were 18 to deb, they were considered socially backward, undesirable, and old maids. engagment at 17 marriage at 18 was "normal" up until the 2nd world war, some 50 years ago.
yeah, your grandmothersī time.
Why should these girls suppress thier sexuality so that boys arent lead "astray"?
Socially a woman still has power based on the size of her boobs, the shape of her legs, and the fullness of her lips. Why shouldnt these girls start learning how to function in the sociaty in which they live?
bikinis were sooo risque that women got arrested for wearing them( last arrest something like 1975 or so), now it is normal for kids to wear them.

boys used to have to wear clothes head to toe all the time too! now they are "allowed" to wear tee-shirts, shorts, no tie (except at some schools), and sandals! a guy wearing "normal" summer clothes by todayīs fashions would have been locked up for indecent exposure as little as 50 years ago. but only after he had been beaten up.

the point being that fashion and social mores change, but both are there to make sure the human race continues.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 02:59 AM
Any time is a good time for GTA3!

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 01:32 AM
Ehhhhh, not always just sex... biting too.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2002 at 01:07 AM
You gotta admit though, when Brittany sings, she sounds like sheīs being choked.

"uuuhhh bayba bayba."

I wonder if she is reading this right now.
heh.
Ah, thatīd be something.
Time to play some GTA3.

 

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Poor brittany...you guys are so hard on her, and as often as she visits "goth" sites on the net, I think I hear her heart breaking as we speak*cocks ear to the window*
*snicker*
Tho, you have to admit, she does no more or less that most of the "artists" some of us listen to, you know...she just sings and is good at it (very good, even if you donīt like her music the girlīs got some pipes) and got really really famous making her a "sell out".
Iīm not getting into the music bit, but itīs late and I"m rambling and you KNOW I need sleep when Iīm half heartedly defending brittany spears....
ANyhoo.
Sex and "relationships" are all little girls think about.
Itīs sad.
THe only thing I disagree with you on, court, is the white knight syndrome. I think most of that is saved for little girls that still believe in fairy tales, which is fine, as itīs a part of childhood.
Most women really DONīT want their white knight.
They want the tough, rough and tumble, arrogant RICH SUCCESSFUL money clip. Then cry to their manicurist and commiserating "friends" because heīs an alcoholic or beats them or cheats or doesnīt pay attention to them. They dontī want a white knight, they want drama because itīs the only exciting factor in their dull sad lives.
The nice guy they all want is that guy friend they have...the one they cry on, do LUNCH with, do "FRIEND" things with, and coo and coddle with their other friends while heīs not around about what a GREAT guy he is, and why canīt ALL guys be like him, and wouldnīt it be GREAT to have a guy like him and hey, since my boyfriend/husband felt bad for smacking the shit out of me he had me go get my nails done and the manicurist actually was able to match the purple polish to my black eye!
Thereīs nothing wrong with being feminine, sexy, attractive, fake boobs (within reason, mind you) or flaunting your body as long as you FULL accept the consequences of such...the occasional catcall, come on, sleaze bag and whathaveyous.
People will always be attracted by the possibility of sex. When someone asks you what made you "interested" in someone else, and they say "his mind" thatīs BS because you CANīT tell someoneīs "mind" from halway across a crowded class, bar, park or club. Itīs sex. Good to have a mind behind it, especially for the relationship inclined, but sex will always be the INITIAL motivating factor. You can lure a fly with honey better than with a mullett.
I donīt think girls should be sex objects, or objectified, but most women now who rally against it with their feminist banners DO THE SAME OR WORSE. "OOO porn is so DEGRADING and makes all women look like GLORY HOLES....hey, I heard that chippendaleīs is in town, how ībout a GIRLS NIGHT OUT!"
I just donīt deal well with double standards or hypocrites....and a lot of these "feminists" give the real feminists out there a really bad name. Make īem all look like castrating bitches and pseudo nazi ball bashing man haters.
While they in turn dress their little girls in lace up pants and belly shirts that have "princess" and "brat" and "spoiled rotten" emblazoned on them.

WHen I was a little girl I looked like a little girl.
Now itīs like miniature club hopping hoochiemommas taught that men are pigs, women are dominant, and that you can get what you want flashing a little leg īcause theyīre retarded and only think with their pants. Hence the little girls are taught sex from the beginning. How to use it. How to abuse it. Iīm dreading this generation growing up and seeing how they turn out. Castrated boys furiously trying to regain their manhood in idiot and dangerous and caveman ways, little girls sitting smugly like diamond sparkled gloryholes...īcause afterall kids..itīs just SEX.

 

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