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Politics: Pharmocological Oppression II |
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IamSquid on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 10:50 AM PST
I just found this link today. If yoo remember my previous article I spoke about the effect MAOIs have upon a person's pyche as well as the state of New Mexico now medicating citizens under penalty of law.
Now we see that the Bush administration is about to require that all US citizens be subjected to psychoanalysis with the intention of medicating any and everyone who "needs" it.
If we put two and two together it becomes obvious that what is on the horizon is the manditory medicated submission of the populace. Need I say more?
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II
by IamSquid (undisclosed)
on Jul 12, 2004 - 08:22 PM
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I would like to post that I was slightly in error while writing this article. The plan is not that EVERYONE is to be screened for mental disorders but that all children attending school and all people working in the education field be screened which is basicly the saem thig except more eventual.
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com) on Jul 15, 2004 - 09:07 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.saradevil.com | Yes, get them while their young, indoctrinate them into the system, then keep them that way forever. And, of course, if our working for the goverment you should always be towing the party line.
It's so creepy and so unreal, it seems like a bad episode of the X-files. |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Jul 12, 2004 - 10:49 PM
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I actually had a talk with a man who's son had "behavior" problems, and the school demanded he be put on ritalin immediately. He refused, citing he'd been working long hours the last couple of years and his son just needed extra attention, and that he'd see to the matter. The school psychiatrist INSISTED it was ADHD, and when the man refused to medicate his son, they called CPS and he was jailed for not forcing his son to take pills. They said that by not providing his son the medication for his "adhd" he was abusing him.
Here's my problem with it. ADHD is overblown. People don't want children, they want miniature adult replicas of themselves. People don't understand anymore that ESPECIALLY little boys CAN'T sit still...they jump up and down and scream and eat dirt and boogers and fling spitwads. It's what KIDS DO. Since they can't handle it it's automatically a problem of the CHILD and hence medication is dispensed like candy. I've seen kids with ADHD, and yes, medication is needed for them to function...I've seen kids WITHOUT ADHD and were prefectly normal, yet seen as a "problem" and medicated. People in this country have a more serious problem than kids who are hyperactive because they don't get enough time outside. It's parents who can't deal with anything anymore. Their answer to everything from depression to hyperactivity to stress is take a fucking pill. It's in our slang (take a chill pill) and advertised in half the commercials on television during family prime time.
"Does your teen seem depressed? Loneley? Dismissive and reclusive and irrational?" Yes, they're fucking teenagers.
"Does your child have problems concentrating? Can they not sit still for more than an hour? Do they jump up and down and get into trouble?" YES, they're CHILDREN.
The only thing that medication fixes is the salaries of the drug companies, because once you're on them, you get the priveledge of withdrawl and not a real fix in the future. It's lovely.
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by IamSquid (undisclosed) on Jul 13, 2004 - 12:44 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.goodandevilgoround.com | Bettie, I couldnt agree with yoo more. I believe it all goes back to the philophy that people are inherently imperfect and therefore need to be controlled (a philosophy that worked extremely well for the church, especially in the Dark Ages).
Nobody stops to think about the fact that raising children on drugs has profound effects on their adulthood simply because it is reccomended by a doctor (who of course profits monitarily from writing perscriptions). People generally except that drinking alcohol at an early age can have unwated effects on their growth. What effect do yoo suppose raising a child on methamphetamine would have on that same child as an adult? Among other things yoo would expect the child would grow up to be paranoid, deceptive, and have a difficulty focusing. This is what will hapen if yoo raise yor child on ritalin. |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 13, 2004 - 09:00 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/ | Not to mention since they are given pills at an early age to deal with their "problems" (or what their parents see as problems) instead of dealing with it mentally and learning the skills necessary to deal with stress, boredom, and life in general, they are denied the ability to problem solve on their own, and learn to "take a pill" for anything that is "wrong". I've seen a lot of the first wave of "ritalin" kids now turning into young adults and most of them are STILL on it, but over the years have been put on even MORE medication since then...for anxiety, for depression, for mood swings. I've also seen a lot of "ritalin kids" turn to illegal substances in their teens more readily, and as one said "I don't see the difference, my parents have been feeding me altering drugs since I was 8."
Don't get me wrong, their are kids out there with very real, very harmful chemical and emotional imbalances out there, and there are ADULTS with very real problems too, and those people benifit not ONLY from counsling but from drug therapy as well. But for the most part, it's all woven into our paranoid pill popping quick fix culture. |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by IamSquid (undisclosed) on Jul 13, 2004 - 08:05 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.goodandevilgoround.com | I agree but these people with chemical imbalances fall into one of two categories: (1) those who are naturally imbalanced and (2) those who are imbalanced because of the chemicals the put in themselves. In all the cases of people with chemical imbalances I am very much convinced that the former category is the exception to the rule.
As Kira mentioned in her reply to my previous article, the fact is that doctors are taught in medical school that drugs are the answer to everyone's problems and are more than willing to perscribe yoo medication to deal with the side effects of other medications yor taking than adjust the initial medication or take yoo off of it altogether with little to no regard for yor actual wellbeing.
And now we are in a situation where the government is going to screen children (which will obviously work it's way to adults over time) to put them on behavior-modifying drugs with the ability to prosecute any parents who refuse. In complete disregard for their actual wellbeing, they will not only be required to take these medications but to PAY for them (as this country is a private healthcare society). Isn't that like shooting somebody and then telling them to pay for the bullet? |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 13, 2004 - 09:02 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/ | I believe it was communist russia that executed by firing squad and then billed the dead person's family for the bullet. And yes, yes it is.
I acutally read in a news fax the other day that several ADHD and Depression prescriptions for kids and teenagers was directly linked to an increased suicide rate among those taking the medication. They are not pulling it off the shelves. I'll be goddamned if I have kids and the fucking government TELLS me to medicate their "childishness". Fuck them I'll move to GODDAMNED CANADA.
I also had a group of canadian kids in my store the other day and one of them (8 years old) asked me if I liked living in america. I told him I supposed that I did, since it's where I grew up, but that canada was looking better and better all the time. He asked why, and I told him when he was older and got to see more, he'd understand. He was hyperactive. He was a young boy. By all standards in america he'd be on pills for being "disruptive". Of course they were disruptive. They were little boys, and that's what I love about them. |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II
by MystryssRavynDarque (MystryssRavynHI@wmconnect.com)
on Jul 13, 2004 - 10:31 AM
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This reminds me of the episode of South Park where all of the kids are put on ritalin and they all start liking Billy Joel. The mentally and physically handicapped character Timmy is diagnosed with ADHD becaues he can't say anything but Timmy when read the entire Great Gatsby and asked a question most nobody would remember. Then all of the other kids are tested with A Farewell to Arms. It is really a funny episode and just shows how much everyone thinks every child has ADHD. My cousin was diagnosed with ADHD and is on a medication, but his problems come from a very dysfunctional home and no discipline. Parents baby their children too much.
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II
by Kira (mod_complex-at-hotmail.com)
on Jul 13, 2004 - 10:56 AM
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I was at a cookout this weekend, and at some point the conversation turned to what meds people were on/had been on. I sat and listened for a little while, and out of the 8 or so people all talking I think I was the only person there who had no experience in the matter. I had to bite my tongue a few times, thinking there is no way that all these people had mental/emotional problems severe enough to require the dozens of medications that were surfacing in the conversation.
I'm not saying I've never felt depressed, or fucked up, or like I couldn't deal with people. But like Bettie said, that's life. I have a hard time believing ALL those people physically needed to be medicated. If our hardwiring failed that often in that high of a percentage of the populous, how did we ever manage to evolve this far without people taking themselves out before they could breed? And if people really do need them that badly, what does that say about how messed up our society/social structure is?
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by IamSquid (undisclosed) on Jul 13, 2004 - 08:15 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.goodandevilgoround.com | This is an excellent point. How did we make it for so long without behavior modifying drugs? People must have been miserable! Well personally, if I'm miserable because I'm starving, have various armies constantly marching in to kill and rape mee and my friends, and have to fight wild dogs for food, I would probably want to be able to recognise that perhaps there's something not right about my situation.
But the thing is their market in such a personal way. Life is hard, and this will make it easier. Okay if yoo have a chemical imbalance then yes it probably will. If not, yor setting yorself up for disaster and the real kicker is, yoo won't really mind because yor emotionally sedated. |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II
by IamSquid (undisclosed)
on Jul 13, 2004 - 08:27 PM
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My new least favorite class of meds is selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Basicly reuptake is when yor neurons say, "okay, that's enough, we're good" and cause yor glands to stop producing whichever neurotransmitter in question. So what happens when yor body starts producing serotonin and doesnt stop?
Well let's have a look at drugs like cocaine and ecstasy. Both these drugs elevate the hell out of yor serotonin and make coming down fom them incedibly disagreeable. It is well known that long-term use of both of these drugs depletes the body's ability to produce serotonin altogether and eventually results in Parkison's disease. Take Richard Pryor for example.
For some reason the FDA has no problem pointing out these properties of coke and E but evades the question when it comes to SSRIs such as paxil.
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by W0rmW00d (allchaka@hotmail.com) on Aug 06, 2004 - 04:55 PM (User info | Send a Message) | i think it was an ssri that i was on before i refused to take any more. ok, so it does somethint which shouldnt necessarily be done, but it worked really well.
i had a different drug, dothiepin, which had had little effect, but the next one, venlafaxine, really did work. if i have made a mistake about what types these are then i apologise. |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II
by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com)
on Jul 15, 2004 - 09:30 AM
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In short this continues to disgust me. My level of disgust has not gone down since you last pointed this out Squid, and it’s appreciated that you have.
However, in the long run, the enforcement of a drug culture in our schools is so ironic it makes me want to scream. Especially since I was raised during the famous Just Say No phase Nancy was going through. As I recall not only was that a huge country wide initiative, the schools were at ground zero for the anti-drug propaganda. This was very effective for me since my mother was an addict and an alcoholic, I could just look at her to see the dangers of drugs. I also watched rather helplessly, as when the intuitive finally and inevitably failed, my brothers and sisters (all younger) became addicts in various forms. Oddly, I was an addict too, I was addicted to orgasms. Loved em, couldn’t get enough of them. I’m convinced that it was the orgasm that kept me from becoming a drug addict. In many ways the orgasm produced many of the same effects of marijuana, and heroin, you feel insurmountable pleasure, mellow, and giddy, and relaxed for several hours afterwards.
Say no to drugs was easy for me, since they never preached about sex in school, I had no idea that masturbation would eventually come under fire for being bad, but fortunately was old enough to seriously exam and question the knowledge of the adults around me at the time to come to the conclusion that they could all go to hell, cause I loved me, biblically.
And, here we are, ironically, 20 odd years later telling all the children in school, say yes to drugs, if you don’t we will put daddy in jail. I mean, seriously, is there nothing that we can present to children as an alternative to pill popping as a way of modifying their behavior. Tie this in with the creepy, and incredibly destructive policies that are created by “No child left behind” and the Iraqi War, and you have a real time bomb. Now, teachers have incredibly high standards of education that they must meet, and a disruptive child can cost a school lots of money. If your not aware “NCLB” requires that all schools meet a standardized test level of 96% or better. When I was in school testing in the 96% made you above average. Now if you can’t make it, your school will loose millions of dollars, teachers will be fired, and children who do make the test scores will move to other schools. Oh, and if your school is on probation you get to put a sign on the door that says so, so everyone knows you’re a failure.
Now how does all this, plus the Iraq war lead to increased pill popping and limited opportunities? Simple. Less money for schools means less after school activities and less diversity in the school curriculum. It may come as a surprise to some that not all children learn the same way. Some children are more geared towards visual learning, while others learn from listening, and still others learn from logical progression. Take away a teachers time in class and she cannot diversify her presentation to meet the needs of all her students. Take away the art teachers salary and he sure as hell isn’t going to stick around. Take away band and you have an entire generation of students who could have been using that access energy to practice instruments, and perform, and get college scholarships, that turn to pills. Take away gym and after school sports activities for elementary school students and you have fat kids who take pills and play video games.
Where does the money go, to vouchers that can be used at private schools, and to the corporate entities that are “rebuilding Iraq” (I’m sorry, but I can’t think that the reconstruction of Iraq is GW favorite administrative sarcasm, I mean seriously, they are going to be rebuilding forever as long as someone is there to keep blowing it up, it’s just a monetary hole).
And, fat kids, kids that are unmotivated, kids that are not being taught in a way that they can understand, where to the end up, on the wrong side of a bottle, taking pil
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com) on Jul 15, 2004 - 04:01 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.saradevil.com | Squid, I wish I knew where to find you, cause I'd seriously like to knock you out. It's just unfair that you can be sarcastic and also so extermely accurate all at the same time. |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 16, 2004 - 10:50 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/ | Buy a snorkel and a pair of goggles and hop in the bay. He'll find YOU. Just don't do it on your period, cuz we all know, squids like to floss. |
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Re: Pharmocological Oppression II
by W0rmW00d (allchaka@hotmail.com)
on Aug 06, 2004 - 04:59 PM
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that really is truly disgusting. now i know that in some cases medication is needed, it is also the case sometimes that what the medication is needed for will make the person hostile to medication, but that should be their choice. if it gets to a stage where they feel badly enough they will probably start taking it. oh there may be safety issues for the teachers if there is a rowdy class, but surely no more so than walking down the street. the medication of childhood really has gone too far now.
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by Abbadon on Aug 07, 2004 - 07:53 AM
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Bush has a point, the American taxpayer doesn't want to have her taxes spent on the treatment of people who refuse to have preventative treatment which was supplied by the government for their own benefit.
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