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Posted by
callei on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 12:55 PM PST
We go thru this alll the time. People think this is a "goth" site (whatever the hell that is) and try to get me to post their rants about all things "goth". Well Shmeng is not a Goth site. Never was, never will be.
I love how they want to tell us that a) we aren't goth enough to call ourselves goth, b) they are soo much more goth than we can ever hope to be, and c) they know the true "goth" even if they are 15. I am scattering snide, catty notes thru out this multi post so that you can see what I think of your (this is the impersonal your) "gothness".
Afterwards we will have a weenie roast and a few choruses of "Speak English or Die"
goth test
i was first drawn to this website by a "goth test" that was fucking stupid. (No, its fucking hilarious, if you are paying attention) there is no way that test could be used to measure the level of gothic -ness. (Its not there to measure anyone's architectural style.) it doesn't really pertain to any real gothic bands or subjects. (either goth is everything or goth is nothing, and, as such your goth is nothing.) it was a joke ,people. (Got that right baby doll. it WAS a joke) the only way you could pass it was if you worshipped in the church of manson. (Um, actually you would have failed even worse than you did. It also doesn't measure your need to follow iconoclastic bands) it was bogus and quite main stream. (Sure whatever you say) not very goth at all. (Are there actual degrees of gothic-ness that are judged by some committee out there?) yes they were trick questions, quite shady. how many of you passed it? (Most of us that know which one's are the trick questions...)
"i have been a goth since the 80\'s. (So have lots of people here. They just don't pretend that "gothic-ness" is the only facet of their lives) i hate marilyn manson and kindergoths that believe he is a god and that tool and korn are goth. (We were all once kindergothen, and all had crazy ideas about what the true nature of "goth" was. Thankfully the rest of us grew out of it) i do not prefer pvc to velvet,lace,gloves, and pointy boots. (What the hell does PVC have to do with gothic-ness or lack there of? Is this one of the criteria from the Gothic-Ness Counsel?) i have kids and a husband. i love many bands. this month i a....." (This is where it ended, thank the gods)
a place for older goths online
Yes, I realize I'm going to be hated for this...This doesn't really relate to this site, but others of the gothy persuasion. (OK so now we are all prepared for you to say something really, really dumb. good job!)
But I have to say it. There needs to be a place for the older sect. Not neccesarily the aged, but those from a different culture. (You mean like Hindi goths or Korean goths? Or do you mean different sub/counter-culture?) Nowadays anyone with black eye liner and matching clothes is goth. (Ever heard of the Mods? or those crazy death rockers? How about the rest of the black clad freak brigade? Maybe you just don't know how to look yet to see how someone is wearing their black and what it means to them. After all, a tux and a bondage dress are very different things.) Anyone from the art chick at the coffee house to the 15 year old at Hot Topic in the mall. There are websites that cater to varying different groups of people, why not one for 1rst generation goths? (Because most "first" generation goths are busy saving up to retire, dealing with kid or grandkid issues, second mortgages, and their careers. What the hell do they want to waste time with some "glory days" site for? They do it in person with the same (well some of the same) people that they did it with 25 years ago when they were in their 20's.) I'm a somewhat decent human being sometimes, but I feel even more out of touch than ever when I go to a site that is full of teens, especially when I've got nothing in common, and moreso, don't want to hang out with them. I don't go to the mall to hang out with people 10 years younger; why is it online I have no choice? (Because you are still defining yourself by the same standards that teenagers use? They mistakenly think they are the first generation of goths just like you do. And why do you care what someone is dressed like if you are only talking to them online?)
I do have a valid point. Goth, like punk rock, is going the way of the dinosaur. (I LOVE hearing this one, I have been hearing it for some 15 years, and so far, its been wrong) With the internet, Mtv, corporate hands in the mix, the spirit and originality is getting lost in the translation. There is a big difference between the person who listens to Bauhaus or Siouxsie, than the one who listens M Manson or Slipnot. (Yes and no. IF that Siouxsie listener is in their say mid 30s and was listening to Siouxsie because their friends told them it was cool, then no, there isn't any difference. My mom listens to the Cure for cryin out loud. Does that make her First generation goth? She'd kick you ass if you said so.) It's not an elitist thing; it's a matter of personal taste. Everyone has someone they prefer not to hang out with, and that is perfectly fine. I mean no disrespect or insults, I'm stating their is a difference there, and there doesn't seem to be any online place that caters to it. (There are LOTS of them, the key is to find them and get accepted by them, like with any other good club) This was written in hopes to both inspire some tech-savvy creative person and to state a well-known, but understated fact. Gutter punks don't hang out with pop punks, (Yes they do silly person. They just don't brag about it) elder goths don't hang out with manson kids. (Yes they do, in hopes of finding the bright kids and pointing them toward the path called "self awareness") You don't go to a 70's music club to hear the 80's, etc. Of course, there is always an exception to the rule, but there is plenty of places for them, anyways.
Read this and make up your own minds. Mindless flames of "screw you!" will be ignored. (Mindless "my black is blacker than your black" Submissions will also be ignored. Ok not ignored, ridiculed in the "true" goth manner) I'm just stating a feeling and opinion of, what I consider, a rather lacking option for a select group of people, nothing more. Hopefully there are others here who feel the same. Cheers.
(Learn some HTML, or buy some template software, spend the 100 bucks for a years hosting, and put the site up yourself. It doesn't take much tech-savvy-ness, but it does take some time.)
Things not to do on easter sunday
*Preface*
I am sorry. I really am. I know this will make you want to punch your monitors, send me hate mail, and firebomb this person. I feel the same. Thing is, I needed more than two "goth" posts to make this multi-post, so I am including this one. Yes it's about, well let's call it gothic-ness, and how this person's blacks are blacker than thou's. I think it would even be a funny story, if they could write, spell, punctuate, or get their point across. Maybe.
OK on with the show....
It started out as any normal weekend with the exception that i had been invited to a friends party at the last moment
this involved catching a train to the city. This is where the fun started, we got to the train station just as the train that we were meant to catch was leaving. however not being upset by missing the train we mangaged to convince the staion master to let us catch a ride on a train that was reserved for taking back emoty carriages, with the biggest dilemma sorted we managed to get to the party about 2 hours late, at least we made it.
THE FUN BEGINS
upon entrance to the party i was thrown back and almost passed out from what i had discovered inside, My friend had neglected to state the fact that most of her friends our extremely religious. (this leads to me to the conclusion that i was invited to upset them) after being introduced to to all her friends who proceeded to hide in the lounge and do jig zaw puzzles (i kid you not) myself the host and to of her friends proceeded to go out the bak and drink ourselves stupid, This however invited the chance for me to go midnight swimming ine of my favourite past times, After jumping in the pool swimming round for a bit in the freezing cold water i emerged from the pool and decided to go inside to get a towel
but was met with a locked door as her friends were calling their parents to come save them from the thing in the backyard, after they all left i was aloud inside with my makeup running down my face i had successfully gotten rid of the boring side of the party and we proceded to get drunk inside and the rest of that night had pretty much ended
Easter Sunday
After waking up from the night before i decided to have a shower and redo my makeup and put on all my spikes again,
the rest of that morning involved me watchin dvd's untill everyone else awoke. Now this is where the fun really started one of my friends friend's rang us on told us about a free bbq that was on at that time, we all gladly accepted and were on our way, however upon arriving at the bbq i discoverd it was a church event, the looks and th running and screaming children have lightend up my life on many a dull day after walking around entering the church having some free food and general making my presence known we left, i have since discovered that going to church on easter sunday as goth as with you friend who is a member knida of makes them the talk of the area they have sinced been banned from their church and i cant help but think im responible in some way,
The Conclusion
going to church on easter sunday and exploiting them whilst being goth, althought a fun a thought provoking experience should not be done at the cost of your friends so ends my story of what not to do on easter sunday
enjoy
So here we have three more people telling us that they are "gother" than gawd, and certainly "gother" than anyone else here. Why, you may be asking, do I bother to post this stuff? I like a laugh as much as the next person does. No seriously, I think public shunning is the best way to help these people understand that they are wearing faded gray, not black.
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com)
on Nov 04, 2003 - 01:00 PM
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woohoo! - callei you rock. I've been trying to figure out a way to make those posts interesting enough to not delete. Glad you finally did it.
Oh, and I'm Gawther than Mary Shelly, cuz I wear more black, and since she's not right in front of me, I can pretend she never existed and that I'm the very first gawth to grace the planet with my gawthness.
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by callei on Nov 04, 2003 - 02:45 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | well Mary shelly got the Idea from somewhere. Maybe her mom had something to do with it (Mary Wollstonecraft).Or maybe it was all those things she read from writers that died 100 years before she was born that made her so gawth, yah think?
Dont you wish they would read a book or LISTEN to thier elders for a change?
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com) on Nov 04, 2003 - 03:44 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://devin.vibechild.com/ | Well of course she got it from somewhere. I mean I can't know for sure, but I think it's a safe assumption that that Mary Shelley's sister Fanny was named after her mom's friend Fanny Blood. And if you're good enuf friends with someone named Fanny Blood to name your kid after them, then you are in fact, goth as fuck.
I personally would call Mary Sr. an anarchist feminist punk chick but either way she kicked ass. Saying that there will never be equality for women until we get rid of the church, monarchies, and the milletary was just something that you did not say in the 1790's. Especially if you're right. And the more equal women get and the less important the king, the pope and the milletary get - the more it seems she may have been right.
Of course you know it wasn't the reading, or the parenting, or the thinking, but it was The dresses that made Mary Jr. so goth. |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Anya on Nov 04, 2003 - 02:58 PM
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If they read the title on the explorer bar, they would notice the: "(Shmeng is not a Gothic site)". I really want to find out when reading became a innecessity...
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Reading is for the Literate :p
by LadyCygnet (whydoyouneedit@inane.com) on Nov 05, 2003 - 12:28 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | People stopped reading when people stopped really giving a flying fig about education. Maybe people just aren't into being informed about the world around them these days, The education system is an absolute joke at every level...just moving the cattle along, as it were...
Anyway, I recently read an article about kids getting headaches from tearing through the latest Harry Potter novel...as long as they're reading SOMETHING, there's hope for the future yet...
But yeah, that subtitle should be a dead giveaway about what this website isn't...
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Re: Reading is for the Literate :p
by callei on Nov 05, 2003 - 04:36 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | I really hate to get into this one..... but
Our education system was designed to teach people to be good factory workers. There have been breif bubbles when the public schools have tried to teach something other than total conformity, basic reading and math, and the need to work in groups, but those bubbles are rare.
The harry potters give me headaches too, but for different reasons than the "weight" of the book. The whining is what gets me. |
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Re: Reading is for the Literate :p
by Anya on Nov 05, 2003 - 06:40 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://kirashi.envy.nu | | On a side note: thanks for posting this callei. It made me feel MUCH better about my own grammar. *snickers* |
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Re: Reading is for the Literate :p
by Anya on Nov 05, 2003 - 06:37 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://kirashi.envy.nu | I don't know if this applies to all state Competency tests, but the ones I took at California were ridiculous. Many of the questions were as simple as: "Bubble in the shape that is a circle." The choices were a sphere, square, rectangle, and a circle (duh). The most difficult that the Math Competency test got to was fractions and decimals. Maybe it's just me but I didn't understand why they made such a big deal about me taking it to pass my senior year when I have Algebra 1 and 2 with Geometry on my transcripts. Oh well.
There's some other simple things that I rolled my eyes at, but I'll stop here. Just seemed like they assumed that no one knew basic math...then again, knowing some people nowadays, I can kind of see that. |
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Which of the following is a circle?
by MystryssRavynDarque (A1Mandi04@aol.com) on Nov 05, 2003 - 10:52 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://kauai.vibechild.com/~amanda/ | | Wow, your testing seems to have been dumbed down quite a bit. Here the tests are a lot more difficult. I find myself terrefied sometimes by my school system. Sometimse though, I see the work children are doing in Elementary school and I think to myself "Wow, they are doing things in second grade I did in fourth grade." |
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Re: Which of the following is a circle?
by LadyCygnet (whydoyouneedit@inane.com) on Nov 05, 2003 - 11:24 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | Some of the tests in Missouri schools can be mind-numbingly easy, depending on your areas of strength. I did well with English but choked on math...it's all Greek to me... :p
Seriously, though...I don't know if it's the same thing nationwide, but here it seems like they're just teaching the test, rather than teaching the material. Call me a geek, but I think a love of learning is essential to getting the most out of life. Every moment can be a learning experience, if one is open to it. It doesn't have to be book learning, either; exploring a hobby or trying something new is, natrually, a learning experience.
I don't know if education is going anywhere other than the toilet, but it would be nice if someone could fish it about before it gets flushed altogether.
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Arthegarn on Nov 04, 2003 - 03:37 PM
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Hmph. If it wasn't because none of you poor little disgraced gothlings who gave birth to this disgraced post wouldn't understand a word of the Latin that was spoken in Europe when I was first Embraced, I might waste a trifle of my precious and endless time to explain you why I am gawther than black.
By the way, I WENT TO AN AMERICAN GOTH CLUB! And a Texas one at that! And in Halloween! I really must find some time to tell you about my experience... am... (recomposes himself) surrounded by all these gothic wannabies who didn't understand the importance of the Catholic Tragic Sentiment of Life to be a True Goth
My, my, my... Thanks, Callei. You rock, as always
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Anya on Nov 04, 2003 - 08:11 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://kirashi.envy.nu | | In my area, it's all about them trying to be all anti-government and 'rebels'. Almost anything else is out of league with most of them. |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by callei on Nov 10, 2003 - 05:11 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | That is just teen agers being teenagers. ITs not a goff, gothic, or goffik (or any other "nu" spelling of an old word) thing.
The Jocks are the same way, and the popular crowd all wants to be "different" too.
its normal to be anti-governemnt in the US. Less than half of the population votes, and those that do vote, vote against each other alllll the time.
the only rational thing a teenager can do is rebel. They are in an untenuable position of being forced to remain dependant and voiceless. Rebeling against that is about the only sane thng to do. |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by callei on Nov 05, 2003 - 04:39 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | | I am soooooo waiting to see what you have to say about a texas goth club on Halloween. I know lots of people say you cant be goth and in texas at the same time (sort of that wave/particle arguement of quarks). |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com)
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All goths here over 30, raise your hands. You know, the hippies used to say, "Never trust someone over 30." I bet there are quite a few 30 and overs here that the under-30s trust with their lives, or even their favorite eyeliner. Glad we got rid of that mistrust between the generations, here. Now, all pretentious goths over 30 who hang out here regularly, raise your hands. *listens to crickets* Hmmm... Guess that leaves contestants #1 and #2 out. contestant #3 seems to just be really, really confused... or really, really uneducated....
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by callei on Nov 05, 2003 - 05:02 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | Abbie Hoffman was a demigod. ANd a wild crazed drug feind.
I liked contestant #3 for thier vigorous use of colloquial english and thier balls for posting something that would have taken me hours to clean up. I still wanna kill the thoughtless beast, but hats of to it.
Have you noticed that we (the older kids here) dont get called pretentious so much any more? I seem to recall that we had a run of teenagers calling us pretentious jerks, cliqueish, and mean. |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Nov 05, 2003 - 10:16 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/ | It's because you can only verbally kick the holy snot out of so many before word gets around, you know.
Something tells me that a good many say a silent prayer and pee a little in their pants before they even submit an argument to you. |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolfatvzavenuedotnet)
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Luckily I was able to save myself about half way through the third article by averting my eyes to the happy dancing Shirley Manson in the smaller window in the corner of my desktop.
If it wasn't for sexy redheads, I may have clawed my eyes out...
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Squire-of-Gothos (Brian0049@hotmail.com)
on Nov 04, 2003 - 10:58 PM
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Isn't it amazing how a famous work of literature can so entertaining, and at the same time, the work of a bunch of whining, ignorant, bitchy, "life blows cuz im special", cretins fills me with the same pleasure and enjoyment. You even get philosophical guidance:
"With the internet, Mtv, corporate hands in the mix, the spirit and originality is getting lost in the translation. There is a big difference between the person who listens to Bauhaus or Siouxsie, than the one who listens M Manson or Slipnot."
"Hmm," says I, "the old and original beats the new because obsessing (like you obviously do) about the legitamacy of original bands is better than obsessing over newer corporate fascimilies of counter culture music. Intriguiging, old better than new......."
Oh well, life is a learning experience, so I hope, for their sake, they live a long long time. and for my sake, I hope they live it out in an abandoned bomb shelter. Mmmmm, spam.
BTW, Gershwin, Maria Muldaur, Polaris and qouting unusual and obscure cult films: Goth as fuck.
My two cents, exchangable for food stamps at your local Publix.
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by callei on Nov 05, 2003 - 05:08 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | I REMEMBER when every black clad kid listened to the Cure. Hell the Album head on the door made the charts in both the UK and the US, so did the one after that i think.
OUr cheerleaders sang "kiss me" while warming up before the game. (those same cheerleaders also did a cheer to "I saw your mommy and your mommy's dead", but that is another tale for another time). Were they first generation goth? Hells no.
By age, the most they could have been is second generation, and they all soccor moms (no meranda you ARE NOT a soccor mom) now.
ITs like saying "real" hippies only listen to the greatful dead, not any of the "new" bands (that know to make thier own CD's....) |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Squire-of-Gothos (Brian0049@hotmail.com)
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I almost forgot, it wouldn't be half as entertaining if not for Callei's special aditions. Great work Callei, you could teach Woody Allen a thing or two about social cynisism. A+ work!
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by callei on Nov 05, 2003 - 05:14 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | Thank you, I think. I have never been compared, in any sense to Woody Allen before. Im a bit confused by it really.
Doesnt he do movies about how tough it is to get laid in New York? Or something about Giant Sperm and trying to write a book?
heeheehheeee.... Is he Gothic? *falls over laughing* |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Squire-of-Gothos (Brian0049@hotmail.com) on Nov 05, 2003 - 11:01 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | I'd say many of the general premises of his work are finding love in New York, and he did do some whacky early films like Everything you wanted to know about sex but where afraid to ask (he battles a giant tit). But his essays and his films cover his deeply depressed atitude towards the nature of man, morality, God or a lack there of, and societies problem. Of course it's usualy capoed by a wry optimism, and humour.
"Your self confidence is notch above Kafka's"
The universe is expanding, and if the universe is everything...and if it's expanding...someday it will break apart and that's the end of everything...what's the point?"
His mother leans over, slaps the kid and scolds: "What is that your business!"
"Maybe it's because I'm depressed so often that I'm drawn to writers like Kafka, Dostoevski and to a filmmaker like Bergman. I think I have all the symptoms and problems that their characters are occupied with: an obsession with death, an obsession with God or the lack of God, the question of why we are here. Almost all of my work is autobiographical--exaggerated but true."
"My analyst was a strict Freudian. If I had been going all this time [200 years] I'd probably almost be cured by now."
"It's not that I'm afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens."
"To you I'm an atheist, to God I'm the loyal opposition"
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it through not dying."
Just some of the quotes I could find relating to death, just one of the themes he deals with. He is a sort of optimistic cynic, pointing fun at whats wrong, but never trying to say that he has the answer, or that he knows better.
"I'm what you'd call a teleological, existential atheist--I believe that there's an intelligence to the universe, with the exception of certain parts of New Jersey."
"When I grew up in Brooklyn, nobody committed suicide; everyone was too unhappy."
"No matter how elaborate a philosophical system you work out, in the end it's gotta be incomplete."
I dig his flicks, and their social commentary, and their atitude of pointing out the ubsurd, without asserting an overbearing and most likely incorrect answer to peoples problems. It's vey effective, and fits his meeke nature. Not that I think your meeke, your stuff is definately more biting, but it gets to the bottom of the problem effectively.
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by feralucce (Iwouldliketokillyou@gofuckyourself.com)
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my eyes... they're bleeding... someone should inform all the old schoolers that lovecraft, Jesus, Nitszche and Kant have them beat... around long before they... not to mention einstein...
As a goth... I say fuck the gothic subculture... some people will get it... and some people won't...
Feral
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com)
on Nov 05, 2003 - 04:20 AM
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I don't know maybe it's just me, but I simply don't know when being "goth" became associated with being a racist. I mean for the good gods sake, people, just because someone wears different color clothes, doesn't use clown makeup for everyday occasions, or listens to music you don't like doesn't mean you should go out of your way to hate them and exculde them from your societies.
And before you start saying somthing like "some of my best friends are preppy" think about that statment. Sure, some of your best friends are preppy but you'll only admit to it if forced, and gods forbid I ask you how often you speak to those "friends".
I really, really, really hate ageism, too, and I don't see any reason why a person should be allowed to sit back and claim "gothness" as a reason to be a biased, racistist, ageist, bigot. I mean really, and lamely, "can't you learn to co-exist?"
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by callei on Nov 05, 2003 - 05:16 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | This is either stunning social satire, or you really need a break from grading papers. Does the so-called "goth" sub-culture need a civil liberties revolution? Does it need political correctness? Does Rodney King look good in a kilt?
Questions only time will answer. |
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com) on Nov 05, 2003 - 08:03 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.saradevil.com | Poor choice of words, perhaps on my part, I said racist in that racist implies discrimination based on race or religion. It seems to me that most people who start the “I’m gother than goth” conversations see their “gothness” as criteria for being superior beings, and their “gothness” as the basis of their own private religion whose first maxim is “hate anyone and everyone that is different from you, and hate even more those who might share a common interest unless they are one of the five people you used to snort cocaine with back in 86.”
I didn’t intend for that to be taken in the “hating those of other colors and races” sense.
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by callei on Nov 06, 2003 - 04:14 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | Actually i can see you point, in that those black clad people tend to think that they are some other "race" than anyone else. I have never been able to figure you if they mean it genetically or spiritually or socially. And, as the christians here are so fond of reminding us, Bigots happen to every group.
You gotta admit tho, a civil liberties movement internal to the "goth" crowd would be really really strange. |
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by Anya on Nov 05, 2003 - 06:46 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://kirashi.envy.nu | I actually can see how being "goth" is associated with racism. I mean, come on...just because someone is Asian doesn't mean that they're always quiet - something that a lot of people here assume*knows of just as many that're talkative*. Ergo, just because someone is goth (or whatever they call it nowadays) doesn't mean that they love Marilyn Manson and wear black.
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by Anya on Nov 05, 2003 - 07:00 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://kirashi.envy.nu | | If my previous post didn't clarify my point, my down-to-earth opinion is that people assume that all "goths" are this and that, which is not the case. That's all. *doesn't want to get in a WIG situation* |
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by callei on Nov 05, 2003 - 10:11 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | | I have met a few quiet "Asians", but not many. My stereotype is rather that that tend to be very talkative and group-thinking people. If you seperate one off from everyone they know, then yah, they shut up. Just like everyone else.... |
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by feralucce (Iwouldliketokillyou@gofuckyourself.com) on Nov 05, 2003 - 09:27 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://feralucce.vibechild.com | I am a bit confused... where does the racism fit in? If, for example, we are citing the clothes, then we are citing classism... but I do not believe that anyone here has seriously stated that any one subspecies of human (which is a fucking rediculous concept any way) is goth adn another is not....
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolfatvzavenuedotnet) on Nov 05, 2003 - 09:44 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://Xaoswolf.tripod.com | of course it's racist.
Goth is all about how pale (white) you can get, and if you don't have light enough skin, well, you just put on the white makeup.
Then you wear all black to make your skin look even whiter. |
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by callei on Nov 05, 2003 - 10:08 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | now see, that is where that "generations" arguement comes in to play. First gens (those that were hanging out with Siouxsie and babysitting Rozz) couldnt be bothered to wear that kind of make up. Second gen (or the 80's brats) got all caught up in the Victorian Consumption look which got them hit and scorned by the older people. Thrid gen (the 90's brats) got more into the vampire thing earning them the hatred and scorn of both preceding groups. And now the Fourth Gen kids are hated by all because they were baggy clothes and think that peircings are jsut something that happens.
So you are "goth" if you paint your face white if, and only if, you are third gen (yes this is an age thing, you couldnt get that makeup in america for under 25 bucks back when). If you are older than that or younger than that, then you are jumping someone else's train.
First and Second gens tended to be all sorts of colors. i know a few actually pale ones that bitch about not being able to get a good tan. That is when it was mostly confined to the cities tho.
But then First and Second gens tend to punch you in the mouth if you call them goth.
oh and fishnets go on your LEGS kids..... |
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Re: Gawther than masturbating with a machine gun!
by callei on Nov 06, 2003 - 05:06 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | well B, maybe you could. Especially if they are "Not Topic" brand. IT would be some kind of subcultural social satire or performance art or something.
I'd still rather not see you with your head sticking out of the crotch of a pair of tights, but then i dont watch that many horror movies. |
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by Anya on Nov 05, 2003 - 04:28 PM
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One thing that I never really get is the fact that some of these people hold the "Goth test" against the site. They can't. The test was meant to be out-of-line and was meant to make fun of the "gother than thou" people.
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Re: Gawther than Who?
by ariadne (minervous@panic.com) on Nov 07, 2003 - 09:39 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://n/a | | then again when people first find the site the "goth test" is all they see and it gives an impression that there is nothing else to this site.from the dark side of the net for instance(goth games section) all that pops up first is the "goth test" , then something about goth test snivelling. (just another perspective) |
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