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bettie_x on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 04:01 AM PST
I've been meaning to check out this book called "the Crazymakers" (I'll get back to you with the author's name)...
I listened to the interview with the woman who wrote it on art bell over a couple years ago (rebroadcast a few nights ago), and I was absolutely rapt.
Here's the basic idea...the food we eat are driving us crazy, little by little, by chemically damaging our brains.
Did you know that there are chemical plants that specifically re create the "flavors" of the things we eat, because after all the processing it goes through, it either tastes bad, or has no taste at all, so they have to REINTRODUCE the chemically devised flavor of the item that was stripped of it in the first place? Hamburger flavor, PICKLE flavor, CHEESE flavor...yummy, huh?
The mass amounts of meat and dairy (and byproducts) that Americans consume yearly are literally destroying our brains?
Okay, take this example.
A human baby drinks human milk during infancy. Because of this, the child is absorbing the human hormones, human antibodies, and human nourishment it needs to grow into a human child.
Then the child drinks bovine milk, given by a health concerned mother...children need milk, don't they? Not after infancy they don't...Humans are the only species on earth that continues to drink milk after infancy, let alone the milk of another species.
Bovine milk is meant for bovine calves. It contains bovine growth hormones, bovine antibodies, and bovine nourishment to grow a baby cow into an adolescent cow. You give this to your child?
Mother's milk is nature's super formula. It contains everything an infant mammal needs, genetically and nutritionally, to grow into whatever mammal it's supposed to be. Where is the logic in giving a biological fluid designed by nature to grow a baby cow to a still developing human child?
Meat is also the same...it contains built up hormones and fats that are a part of the cow (duh, I know) and the meat is saturated with the cow's biological makeup. YES, I will admit that humans are omnivores by nature, but as migrating species, meat was a luxury, not a necessity. It was not consumed in the frightening quantities that it is nowadays by the American public, hence was sometimes necessary to survival, and since it wasn't eaten regularly it caused little harm.
Plus the meat eaten by these primitive ancestors was not genetically mutated to be nothing but a walking food source, such as are most of today's "livestock".
The author suggested with much conviction that our gluttonous diet of animal products is a major contributor to the outrageous peak in dangerous child obesity, behavioral disorders, physical disorders, mental illnesses, and mental disease.
She spoke of these "societal" problems as a result of human children receiving mass quantities of non-human growth hormones, antibodies, and genetic components through mass-produced animal products.
Parents are under the misconception that children NEED cow's milk and that it's the only source of calcium, which is a falsity. One cup of any green vegetable such as broccoli, brussel sprouts, asparagus etc. has more calcium than a glass of cow's milk, and contains none of the natural hormones, antibodies, excess body fluids, and fat.
People think of bovine growth hormone as a human made concoction pumped into cows to make them produce more milk, not as a naturally being contained in milk designed to grow calves, not human children.
I'm going to go find this book, read and read it thoroughly. Everything posted here was from memory after listening to a rebroadcast of the interview on Art Bell's "coast to coast AM" radio show.
Let me know what you think...is this woman full of crap or do you feel there just may be something to this? And this isn't another bettie_x vegan tirade, this is genuinely interesting to me and poses a lot of questions...the main one of course being that is our food really driving us mad?
I think there's a lot to this.... even if it can only be tied to the rising rates of child obesity. If you don't think kids are getting dangerously fat, dangerously young, you've not spent a summer vacation in Disneyland
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com)
on Jul 15, 2002 - 06:21 AM
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I agree, bettie. The got milk? commercials are as brainwashing as the truth ads... Milk is very bad for you... and when I took my kids to the doctor for a checkup, and she was asking me what I feed my kids, she specifically asked how much milk they drank during the day. I was going through a phase where I only used powdered milk for cooking, and told her that they don't drink milk cause milk is bad for you... she got really upset and told me I HAD to start giving my kids milk. Had to?? Can a doctor tell you what you can and cannot feed your kids? It seems so... I made up a fake list of things we eat based on the FDA accepted pyramid, just so I wouldn't get a lecture the next time I take the kids to the doctor. The thing is, I believe the FDA and other organizations KNOW what is bad for you, and try to get you to eat it so you will be stupid and docile and easily controlled. As far as the meat thing goes, I think that the only thing wrong with meat is the fact that people have messed with it... pumping it full of nasty stuff that isn't good for anybody. I think if we look at an all-natural diet, we see that our ancestors ate what they could pick off the trees or out of the ground, and meat, when they could run across it. Grains on the other hand are bad. They're not easily digested, they are a cause of diabetes, Celiac, and other disorders. I think you can tell what is supposed to be eaten by watching how kids eat. My kids would live all day on fruit, and graze on fruit much of the day... they like raw veggies, not cooked. They like nuts. They like meat. They don't like milk, or noodles or rice, or cooked veggies...
And another thing: food dyes. How do some of these even get into food??? You would think the FDA would not ALLOW poison to be added to CHILDREN'S DRINKS!!! But they do. Kool-Aid is full of lake dye, a dye so strong, they use it to dye lakes. It's made from aluminum, and aluminum causes altzheimer's and possibly ADHD. Look around this stuff is everywhere. They just started putting it in M&M's... and that pisses me off. There's a noticable difference in my kids' behaviour if they eat anything with lake dye in it. There's no wonder so many children have to be drugged just so they can sit still during class, lake dye could have been in the juice they had for breakfast that morning. Grrr....
Anyway, I know what you mean about the fatness of kids in the US, but I think that's mostly due to high fat, high sugar convenience foods. Most of those kids drink pop every day, snack on chips and candy, eat fast food, and don't touch fruits or veggies. The only time these kids have milk is in high fat ice cream, or with sugary chocolate drink mix in it, or as cheese on their burger or pizza. If they had a more natural diet, I'm sure they would be lean and healthy. I think I'll check out that book too, it sounds very interesting... and I wonder if she has any ideas on how to eat anything in this day and age of genetically engineered crops and packaged foods.
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by Ironboots on Jul 15, 2002 - 07:19 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://ranger.vr9.com/Flash.html | I'm not sure that cheese on pizza and hamburgers count for milk these days, since a lot of it is just made from vegetable oil...
But I'm pretty sure that the FDA is -trying- to get us to eat well... I think that they know that if they recommended anything so far from the normal as vegetarianism, that they'd be blatantly ignored.
People don't like change.
And I'm not quite sure whether 'processed' foods are good or not... For all we know, they might...
You carry on about aluminum, and its consequences, but what about zinc? Its poisonous as well, but we need it in small quantities to survive. I'm not sure if it is as dangerous as you might think.
Of course, I might be wrong.
Oh, and about the milk: I'm waiting for someone at the FDA to put human milk up on the food pyramid... some day... ;) |
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by DarkMistress on Jul 15, 2002 - 08:24 AM
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I want to read this book. I'm a health nut and I'm only in middle school. I don't eat meat but everyone else loves it. I eat pizza on occasion but I do like fruits and veggies, and I don't like milk. Basically, kids are getting fed the wrong food. Their parents stock up on all the artificial junk and they just consume it all day long, and get no exercise afterward. I grow my own veggies, well actually right now I've only grown tomatoes but since they were a success I feel a little more adventurous about it. My mom only buys stuff thats good for you, and the stuff like cake and cookies has to be made and she's not that much of a baker. Her cookies will break your teeth. As far as I'm concerend, the FDA is just a bunch of morons. They even brought japanese beetles into our country to get rid of aphids when we have our own ladybugs that will do the job. Therefore, they should be ignored. I don't drink pop, on occasion I drink milk, but mostly it's water. I think people need to be a little more careful about what they let their kids eat, and to monitor how much they take in. That might help when it comes to child obesity, instead of having parents who don't give a damn.
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by IamSquid (AAA@sockmonkeys.net)
on Jul 15, 2002 - 11:14 AM
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ah, Bettie, why aren't all the Satanists I know like yoo?
I have been a vegetarian (with the exception of people, to break the seriousness) for 8 years and have dozens of reasons for being a vegetarian.
My major reason is that I don't like the taste but pulling in a close 2nd is the fact that there's nothing natural about it. The human colon is shaped how a herbavore's colon would be. In addition I am against the farming, drugging, and slaughtering of animals (although not hunting out of neccesity because that IS natural). Thus I have less of a problem with people eating fish because fish aren't farmed.
The one I like to use most when people piss mee off is that in ancient cultures one ate plants to gain it's properties and animals to gain their attributes. Thus if yoo respected a deer and wanted to be fast and agile like a deer, yoo would eat a deer. So look what meat Americans are eating: Mostly cows and pigs! So people are growing fatter and stupider and allowing themselves to be hearded like lambs (another "edible" meat). "Yoo are what yoo eat" is not bullshit.
And damn that Art Bell, he has too many interesting guests. If only I could read as quickly as he has shows.
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Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 15, 2002 - 07:00 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Well, being hard pressed to find more than a handful of satanists in my area that aren't into "devil worship" and "being EEVIL", I dont' know.
I'm one step up on the "crazy" ladder, I'm full on vegan...have been for years. I have SERIOUS moral issues with the meat/dairy/animal testing industries, but so as not to turn this into carnivores vs veggies and have a REAL discussion, I left my usual anti-carnivorous sermon tone out of it.
I do agree with you are what you eat. And the effect is obvious.
Keep up the good vegetarian way, and if you ever desire to go a step further and give veganism a whack, I'm your human cookbook/resource center. |
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i'll point my moral finger where i damn well pleaz.
by IamSquid (AAA@sockmonkeys.net) on Jul 15, 2002 - 09:27 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | (I'm using a friend's computer and that popped up as I was writing "I" so I went with it)...
Yeah, I'm quite impressed to meet someone who isn't an angsty young rebel who's into LaVey or a 30 something Harlot type (I don't know if yoo ever heard when Art Bell interviewed Harlot the Devil Worshiper but it was one hell of a show). I'm interested to hear anything yoo can tell mee about yor philosophy.
FYI I don't confine myself to any single religion but have equal respect for all (well, most). |
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Re: i'll point my moral finger where i damn well pleaz.
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 15, 2002 - 09:36 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Close, I"m a bitter 22year old who's into lavey *snicker*
Have you ever read any of his books? They are thin and chock full of intellectual goodies. Satanist or not, it's good reading.
Harlot gives me FITS. I LOVE listening to her...in the way I love listening to mad man marckham talk about getting arrested when they found stolen power company transformers attatched to a giant "time machine" aka: screwed up jacob's ladder in his back yard.
Harlot is by far my favorite art bell guest. Maybe 'cause she freaks him out and that's pretty hard to do.
Constraining yourself to a single religion without research and gut instinct really limits you to what you can get out of life. I read all I could on different religions and took a comparative religion class in college. Education never hurt anyone.
ANyway, very off topic, but I'll message you so we can continue it without stepping on toes.
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Jul 15, 2002 - 07:13 PM
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Oh I totaly agree that it's junk food too. Parents want convenience, portability, and have it taste so good their kids shut up for a few minutes. My mother on occasion, who is a nurse, posts things on the fridge for me when I come home to visit...articles that say that veggie/veganism don't give you all the things that a omnivorous diet do...and circles key amino acides, vitamins, and such that "aren't in anything but meat".
All of it's bogus, as i point out, and tell her the things I eat the supply those components. She rolls her eyes and says "If you're suuure...."
The government will never EVER support even vegetarianism...because of the money tied in the meat and dairy and poultry industry. Remember when oprah did a special on mad cow disease and suggested that maybe vegetarianism was the way to go, looking better and safer in light of things.
EVERYONE pitched a FIT! The meat industry SUED HER FOR DEFAMATION! When all she was doing was suggesting that maybe meat wasn't the way to go anymore, just to be safe.
SUED HER FOR DEFAMATION because of an opinion!
Whatever makes food cheap, easy, and appealing will always override the necessity for clean good food and public saftey. They keep us busy and placated worrying with mad cow, additional hormones, and nice, clean happy pictures of cows in pastures, who WANT to be milked non stop by a mechanical farmer brown....who wiggle their noses and HAPPILY become healthy american hamburgers...
The food industry is a mess. As soon as I move, I"m growing a GARDEN.
And keep researching the products I buy.
That's all you can really do.
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go girl!
by IamSquid (AAA@sockmonkeys.net) on Jul 15, 2002 - 09:36 PM
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Rich old Uncle Sam has his dick stuck so far into slaughtered cows, yoo'd think he was cumming diamond paste! What's more American than McDonalds? Beef is capital, beef is oppression!
If the governement wanted to solve world hunger, it could! Easily! If the Church wanted to solve world hunger is could just as easily! But no! The amont of area a cow needs to graze for a day (if used insted to grow corn, or some other crop) would be enough to feed a small village for a day!
People want to eat BGH and salmonela, fine! BUT DON'T TREAT MEE LIKE I'M THE ONE WHO'S CRAZY!!! |
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War, Death, Pestilence, Famine and Hangnails.
by Anonymous-Coward on Jul 15, 2002 - 08:15 PM
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One has to be careful about internalising a lot of the hysteria of the moment... every few months somebody comes out with a new book or a new study that gets some attention for a short bit, but a great deal of it is based upon some abysmally bad science. The milk furor, for one example, is still being batted around by people who feel on the one side that it is manufactured in Hell itself and on the other that it is like manna for our bodies. A middle-of-the-road perspective is probably the best approach... especially when a lot of the hysteria tends to be based upon a single non-clinical study. Before jumping on the bandwagon, it would be a good idea to look at the data behind the conclusion... and before looking at that data, to brush up on basic statistics and the scientific method. A lot of these prejudices against this or that product turn out not only to be silly and groundless, but distract us from addressing real problems.
Of course, I am as susceptible to the hysteria as anyone which is why I have not voluntarily consumed tap water in nearly ten years. In some places in eastern rural India, people overdose and die because the ground water has 14 parts per million of sodium flouride in it... but this does not stop us from introducing 12 parts per million of sodium flouride waste into our drinking water on the (ostensible) grounds that it is good for our teeth. People laugh about the ancient Romans for using so much lead in their eating utensils, but it does not occur to them that stopping at the water fountain in this society is every bit as damaging to higher cognitive processes.
Clinical studies or no clinical studies, what we do to our own bodies is absolutely nothing compared to how we devastate the environment with introduced chemicals and genetic modifications. Because maize is air-pollinated (and based upon a legal precedent that was set earlier this year), the Monsanto corporation will own all of it in a very few short years. And kiss your butterflies goodbye, the Round-Up doesn't exclude beneficial insects. Probably a lost cause to worry about it, though. The PCBs that Monsanto and Dow have been pumping into the ground water would have gotten them eventually anyway. I often wonder if the chemical/pharmaceutical industries do not have the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse on the board of directors.
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Re: War, Death, Pestilence, Famine and Hangnails.
by Monolycus on Jul 15, 2002 - 08:19 PM
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Re: War, Death, Pestilence, Famine and Hangnails.
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 15, 2002 - 09:58 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Of course you have some points...which is why I also do not drink public water, and at least use a purifyer on mine (lessen the risk..doesnt' cut it totally, but hey) when I don't have bottled.
And to counter the argument that what we do to our bodies is nothing compared to the enviroment...I do agree, but what happens in our bodies is sometimes the RESULT of a polluted enviroment...
Take the statement that squid made (beat me to the punch) about how one cow (that feeds about 10-20 people for a few days) requires I believe it is 10 acres to raise and grow to full size. One cow. 5-10 acres. For one cow. One cow in millions of others, being born, consuming acres of land, producing millions of tons of greenhouse gasses per year, then killed to feed america's obsession with meat. You have to have food for that cow...so enter more land for the sole purpose of growing alfalfa...and then tractors for harvesting...they use a lot of gas, those tractors..all those fumes right into the air. Then when the cow has reached maturity, after using all that effort, land, and pollution, it has to be taken by truck (more gas, more pollution) to a slaughtering station which requires mass amounts of electricity to run the place...and sits on large plots of land..and disposes of tons of animal excess daily...and then that animal's slaughtered remains have to be packaged in non biodegradeable plastics and trucked (again, more gas and fumes) to a store. That's a lot for some steak and rib roast.
Take that 10 acres, and take away the cow. Plant potatoes. Corn. Wheat. Vegetables. You will get TONS of plant material that will feed HUNDREDS for WEEKS...sucks up a lot of greenhouse gasses too, for that matter...sure, you have to use tractors, but only one set and not often, and it's going straight for food, not food for food. their leftover organic material gets tilled back into the earth...puts back what it took. Start again.
Lots less pollution, sucks UP some pollution and releases oxygen, and you get more bang for your buck.
And perhaps someone should tell those starving nations of all the grains and food excesses that the US burns yearly...can't release it into the market for free to the starving, that would harm profits.
Damn shame that is. Would harm profits as much as cutting back/eliminating the animal product industry.
Hm..
And I do research everything I read or think. I promise. I'm not a hysteric, I just found the woman's ideas very very thought provoking.
I know the world is going to hell in a handbasket, but that doesn't mean I can't try :)
Even if I die in a fireball, I'll die knowing I saved a few animals some suffering, and that I did what I could...that's better than anything I could think of.
And you can't (or you can, it's your perogative) argue the milk debate, seriously. How can a biological fluid made SPECIFICIALLY FOR INFANT COWS, BY COWS, be benificial to a still forming human child? Or any human? Foreign hormones, antibodies, and body fluids. It's been made so "acceptable" and "natural" yet people gag at the suggestion they drink human milk. Now THAT'S just GROSS! It's not RIGHT! they say. |
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Re: Re: War, Death, Pestilence, Famine and Hangnails.
by Anonymous-Coward on Jul 16, 2002 - 12:34 AM | I wasn't trying to suggest that you did not look into these things, Bettie. My comments about checking the data underlying the conclusions was a blanket observation. One of the big problems with living in the "Information Age" is that there is no way to check the veracity of all of it (particularly on the net). Anyone, given a few spare minutes, can find "evidence" to support anything they like if they are selective enough. That's why I endorse the scientific method. I only wish more scientists did the same.
I could not agree with you more about minimising our environmental impact, or at least going about our agriculture in more sensible and efficient ways. Unfortunately, the problem as I see it is not that there is too much livestock (there is, but cows and pigs actually produce negligible amounts of greenhouse gases, especially compared to the factory down the street that is "processing" them), rather, there are too many people. Six and a half billion and counting. Numbers don't seem to impress anyone, so I will not go on and on about what a STAGGERINGLY HUGE population that is, but I will snort in disgust at how human beings seem to think that their "biological imperative" to churn out more and more wastes of skin outweighs the rights of every other living thing in the Universe.
Also, I can and will argue the cause of milk (human, bovine, or what-have-you). You can apply the argument that you made to the consumption of just about anything. Grains don't produce seeds with your consumption in mind... they are minding their own business trying to reproduce themselves. The seeds, leaves, fruit, et cetera that they make is specifically produced BY PLANTS, TO MAKE MORE PLANTS. The reductio ad absurdum of this line of reasoning would indicate that we should be cannibals (or eat human by-products) if we are to eat at all. I agree that mother's milk is best for infants, but to vilify milk for anyone after they are weaned does border on over-reaction until the results come back from the lab. Incidentally, I was bottle-fed myself and never touched a breast until I was nineteen years old, so it is possible that my perception of the situation is affected in some way by all of that.
Still, overall, I think we are on the same page about things (or at least reading the same book). I might quibble over the occasional point, but I do agree wholeheartedly with the majority of what you have presented. |
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Re: Re: Re: War, Death, Pestilence, Famine and Hangnails.
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jul 16, 2002 - 06:45 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | | If processed cow's milk is so safe, then why is Lacease (the pills that make it easier to digest the sugar in milk) such a big seller? Is is just he pasteurization process that makes it so hard for people to digest? |
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by Monolycus on Jul 16, 2002 - 11:59 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | I'm riding the fence about how safe it is... but I will go out on a limb and suggest that you don't need to seal it in a lead container and certify your local grocer with a hazardous materials license.
Milk is difficult for many adults (and practically all non-caucasions) to digest because as they get older they stop producing the enzyme lactase, which is necessary to change lactose (the sugar in milk) into glucose. The reason a disproportionately large number of caucasions do not develop this lactose intolerance is because early northern Europeans (specifically Scandinavians) relied very, very heavily upon cow's milk to get through the winters. Due to natural selection, this population never stopped producing lactase into their adulthood the way much of the rest of the world's populations do. The pills that make it easier to digest milk are just supplementing the enzyme lactase. Pasteurization really doesn't make any difference one way or the other. |
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by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 16, 2002 - 07:37 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | You stop producing lactase because your body no longer needs milk after being able to process solid food. People that have relied on it for their survival have built up an "immunity" to milk.
I was lactose intolerant (mildly) long before I went vegan. Ice cream made me sick, too much milk or anything other than 2% skim made me sick, too much cheese made me sick....and now that I've had it eliminated from my body for over two years now, it'll damned near kill me. I've seen what happened to my husband when he ate something with dairy in it and didn't know until a swallow or two. YIKES.
He was NEVER lactose intolerant.
I even convinced my DAD, the man I've known to drink more milk with every meal in my life. He was always getting sick after eating...I suggested he stop drinking milk, or at least cut his intake dramatically with his meals. He scoffed, said the milk cooled his stomach. SO I told him the down low, that milk neutralizes his stomach acid, hence the "cooling". Then I told him that by neutralizing the acid, he had nothing to digest his food properly with..it just sort of mushed in there and SAT, making him sick. NOT only that, but when you are constantly neutralizing your stomach acid, the body says "uh oh, not enough acid, make more"...so his constant heartburn when he wasn't eating was his body overproducing the acids he was neutralizing. Viscious cycle...a lot like people who become dependent on laxatives and other things that alter the body's natural chemistry...meant to be taken to temporarily get things right on track, becoming a crutch.
He actually listened to me eventually...and said "funny, I don't get as sick as often after eating...wonder why?"...then reminded him the milk thing. He glared..then said "yeah, I guess". |
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by Monolycus on Jul 17, 2002 - 04:39 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | | "Immunity" might not be the best way to describe it, but I follow what you are saying. And it is definitely not suited for everyone. In the case of your father, I don't think it was neutralising his stomach acid (You need a relatively strong base like baking soda to neutralise any significant amount of hydrochloric acid), but it sounds very much like it was not something he was digesting well. Since you mentioned that you are mildly lactose intolerant, it is likely that he is also... and, like any substance, moderation is always the way to go. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: War, Death, Pestilence, Famine and Hangnails.
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 17, 2002 - 10:54 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | K, brain wasn't working right last night (not tonight either, but hey) I believe I meant "tolerance". When you put something in your body for a period of time, you develop a "tolerance" to it...like innoculations, or people that drink often, their body compensates the negative effects (drunkeness) of the alcohol over time and it takes more to make you drunk.
Milk is a neutralizer, enough to upset the balance of acids in your stomach. He can drink milk fine when he doesn't eat, but when he drinks it with any food, it makes him sick. He can also eat icecream with no problem. So can my mother. |
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Re: Re: War, Death, Pestilence, Famine and Hangnails.
by Monolycus on Jul 16, 2002 - 12:37 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | And, GOD DAMN IT! I was logged in when I wrote the above. This is really starting to piss me off! I am, I was, I will be,
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by Willow on Jul 15, 2002 - 09:00 PM
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Wow. I must say that all of this is very new to me. I never pay attention to what I eat and I eat most of that stuff every day. ::shivers:: I am definately going to watch what I eat from now on because, to be quite honest, this sort of worries me. Thank you for posting that information. I'm going to look into this a little further.
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Well, sorry to say this, but I like steak. There is just nothing better than a big thick(at least an inch, preferably 2) juicy almost raw slab of beef.
On another note, raw chicken is bad, don't eat lots of improperly cooked chicken then expect to go out drinking. It doesn't work out too good. Of course if you're already drunk, then go ahead and eat the raw chicken, the alcohol in your system will kill all the bad stuff before it can get to you.
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by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com) on Jul 17, 2002 - 06:31 AM
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I guess that made me sound like one of those guys that sits in front of the vegans and chews the hot dogs really slow while asking if they can hear the poor little piggy's crying that I'm eating their mother....
I'm not really like that, seriously, I'm a nice guy.
I guess it's time for me to append a few words to rule #156 in my book. Never post when incredibly drunk, or incredibly hungry. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 18, 2002 - 08:37 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Not quite, but close :) No offense taken, really. You'd be able to tell.
I dont' mind when people eat meat in front of me, it's their perogative, as long as I can't smell it because the smell legitimately makes me very ILL.
Not NEARLY like the people that pronounce it v-ay-gan...or those that think it's funny to say they're going to hold me down and make me eat meat. They don't usually like it when I return the favor and tell them I'm going to hold them down and make them eat my foot...the threat of skullfucking is always a good deterrant.
Post drunk all you want, I DO! All the time! Half of my "rants" are done piss drunk at 2am...who says nothing good can come of alcoholism.... |
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You are what you eat...
by Dolorosa on Jul 17, 2002 - 12:14 AM
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Crap...I'm gonna' grow up into a Taco...god knows what they put in there...
Cannibalism is looking better and better every day...
Interesting idea...Now I want to experiment with my own children...I'll feed them a mixture of Platypus and Musk Oxen milk...in the end creating a super-fucked-up-smelly-duck-thing...
Man, I wish my parents gave me food that would make me go crazy when I...got...older...
*scritch scritch* Fricken' pixie sticks...
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Re: You are what you eat...
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 18, 2002 - 08:43 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Oh see but giving your child the milk of something other than a cow (even goat milk is considered "icky" by most) will get you LOTS of "eww, gross, how could you drink that/feed that to your children" because COWS aren't animals, you see..."cow" as an animal was a fictition made by the government...they're really BORN to reproduce (asexually, of course...cows don't need real sex), get juiced regularly, and end up as so many hamburgers and wallets.
Cows are walking food sources that were BORN for humans, so it's okay, you see.....
It's like the horsemeat debate...based on early christian doctrines...and now people just think of it as "disgusting" and "inhumane" , when they are really, if you break it down, no more than a cow that people LIKE. Horses are FRIENDS...calves are CUTE...we only wanna save the CUTE animals, have the CUTE animals as friends...sounds wierd, huh? |
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by MorteAscendo on Jul 17, 2002 - 04:21 AM
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Damn Bettie i tell you what. I drink apple juice...and i mean ALOT. It is a staple in my book. If you could find if apple juice is bad lemme know. But i think from what you said explains why im so messed up. When i was a baby and my mom tried to feed me, i used to bite her. So after awhile my mother stopped and fed me formula and what not. Is there a good amount of cow milk in that...cause that sure would explain my HOOOVES!! MOO!
kidding...but good story non the less...makes you think...something some people should do more offen.
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Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 18, 2002 - 08:46 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | It probably does explain the hooves :)
Most infant formulas are soy based, or you can actually buy totally vegan infant formula. Depends on where you're applejuice is coming from. Read the ingredients...if apples isn't number one, reconsider your brand :) |
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com)
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It seems somehow backwards to me that people who usually watch their diets closely also like to breath smoke laced with carcinogens into their lungs permenantely inundating themselves with tar, noxious gases and ash.
When was the last time you ran the mile in 4 minutes or less?
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Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by Monolycus on Jul 18, 2002 - 12:00 PM
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Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 18, 2002 - 08:55 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | I don't run. I never have been into running. I speed walked my way through P.E. in highschool. I've always hated running, I always will, bad knees and teenage asthma will do that to a girl.
You'd be suprised the shape I'm in. I can jog (when I want to), I can do heavy physical work, I did most of the furniture moving BY MYSELF (I'd like to see you haul a queen size matress and box spring, a rolled up 12x10 rug, and a futon up a one story flight of stairs and tell me how in shape YOU ARE) and STILL not smear my eyeliner, so there.
..and don't fucking start on the cigarettes with me, comedian, I'm not getting into this shit with you, not here, not again, because you are impossible to hold a rational discussion with. CIGARETTES DON'T FUCK UP YOUR BRAIN AND MAKE LITTLE KIDS FAT AND CRAZY.
I'll have you KNOW (as if it's any of your goddamned business ANYWAY) that I'm in the process of cutting back and QUITTING because it's not RIGHT for me anymore, and sooner or later I want a FAMILY and as a RESPONSIBLE ADULT I don't think it's fair to raise kids in a smoking household for several reasons...PERSONAL REASONS. So go start the "I hate bettie_x and everything/one that doesn't agree with me club: members: 1" forum and leave it be.
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a second note
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 18, 2002 - 10:27 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | After my first reply to this, I also decided to add this little nugget for you:
I am not anit-animal product for health reasons. You already know why I "watch my diet".
It is for personal moral issues, and most people have no qualms about what life was destroyed in order for them to have a tasty pallette at their dinner table....so another side to the "debate" is health, and the consequences.
People don't listen to anything that doesn't pertain to them and their ego. Animal suffering and cruelty blow right over most people because they think that 'cause they have thumbs, they're fucking special. So you tell them the other side of the story, the HEALTH. That animal fat collects not only in the arteries of the heart, but in the arteries of the genitals, causing not only heart disease but male impotency. THAT pertains to the ego and gets their attention FAST.
I don't give a rats ass what people do to themselves, smoking and drinking and such. It's their life. I do care about the lives on the other side of the animal products "debate"...lives that mean NOTHING to 3/4 of the population, and THAT makes me SICK.
Agree or disagree, I'm not bothering with my health because I'm pretty damned healthy. This is just one more curve on the "eat or not to eat" animal issue, one that get's far more attention because it applies to HUMANS, which are all most people are concerned with.
I'd rather suffocate on carcinogens than gorge myself on MURDER.
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Re: a second note
by Anonymous-Coward on Jul 19, 2002 - 07:54 AM | Oh, here we go. Here's the good shit. Bleeding heart "my little pony got ete" ranting and raving animal rights shit.
It's good that you have morals, bettie, it's great. And it means jack shit jizz on an old newspaper to me. Every fucking month you come out with another article espousing the high morality of veganism. Every other week poeple put up another religious article to get smashed over, too. "I worship god, I'm going to heaven, and you're going to hell for jerking off and thinking Buddha wasn't just a Fat Bastard", "I eat soy-based synthentic foods that don't even have a taste to begin with until you add it with an eyedropper and microwave it for a minute and a half, and you're going to die because you eat meat."
AND smoking DOES make you fucked up mentally. How fun are people to deal with when they're trying to QUIT smoking? Nicotine withdrawal is sucha nasty thing to deal with, because the people turn to shit and become nasty to deal with. Same with any drug, but it's more commonplace with cigarettes. SO what if little fat kids become crazy and uncontrollable, it's anything better than fuckers on a binge who expect me to deal with the heaping piles of shit that like to throw on when we're supposed to understand the fact that they're going through a brain fuck up that will never end. And they will always be an addict, because if you put any ex-smoker under any amount of pressure later, they will, at some point, say "I wish I had a cigarette right now."
And there we go with the genitals again. Not like it matters to half the underage smurfs that run around this site, or should matter to the rest of the smarfy thirty-somethings with an identity crisis and looming middle-age to deal with with whom we don't want to hear about their sex lives, but it just seems to matter to you. You got a lot of fat in your genitals?
You wanna know how fit I am? I can run the mile in 4 minutes, probably less. I've done it before with an ingrown toenail that hurt like hell just after I had to have foot surgery on the other foot for the same problem because my fucking shoes were doing it to me. I regularly(every other week) haul more than 400 pounds of shit up two flights of stairs. I walk two miles every morning(down from 6, just cause I don't have the time).
It's all so fucking hilarious.
A laugh fucking riot.
Because vegetables scream just as much as animals do.
And I would gorge myself on murder. I eat a hamburger every fucking day. You know what I think about while I eat that fucking burger? Somewhere, some vegan/veggie militant asswipe is screaming and pulling their hair out in big clumps with their fists and throwing it at the wall over the fact I'm eating meat. That's exactly what I think about. Nothing else. I can't even taste the meat any more, just the sweet sweet taste of tree-eater frustration.
And if the mood if altering our minds, so what? It already alters our sweat glands, doesn't suyrprise me that mental facilities are affected. I just can't wait for you second-tier food chain shits to try something. What's on the mind of someone who only reats grass? Humping, because you've gotta crank out enough offspring to keep them from getting ete by the big bad bunny-eating wolves near the top.
I can't wait for the world to allow genetic alterations for your body. I'd drop 20 grand just to get my bowels shortened to a third of their normal length and have my sweat glands altered, cause that fucking carnivore package is the only way to go.
God, thinking about this just gives me a big ole' hard on. I think I'm gunna go pound off on a side of steak and cook it. |
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Re: Re: a second note
by Cashmere on Jul 19, 2002 - 10:18 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | Um, good for you? Hauling over four hundred pounds of "shit" up two flights of stairs is horrible for your back unless you use exact proper posture and put all the wight on your legs; in that case it's horrible for your knees. That you would run with an ingrown toenail especially after you had surgery, and that you had to have surgery in the first place to fix something you yourself have ignored is a perfect example of how "fit" you are.
I will be the first to admit that I am not a vegetarian because if I do not eat meat every once in a while there is a very good chance that I will die. The little bit of meat in my diet is the only thing that is keeping my blood pressure from dropping and having me die of heart failure. Why are you so angry at people who choose to be vegan or "tree huggers"? And meat is just as addictive as cigarettes, and just as bad. They both promote heart disease by raising blood pressure (though by different means) and both promote cancer. It takes years of work to completely quit both habits once they form, and the urge can be there for the rest of their lives. Every person who must quit eating red meat will, at one point, say "Man I wish I had a steak right now".
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Turn the testosterone down a wee.
by Monolycus on Jul 20, 2002 - 03:36 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | It's the height of hypocrisy to complain about smokers being "unpleasant" when you can churn out as much fecal material in a sitting as you just did. It would take me fourteen bowls of Bitch Flakes to equal the amount of self-righteous gall in just one paragraph of Total Anonymous-Coward.
Keep running your four minute miles and carrying your four-hundred pounds of shit up and down two flights of stairs, pal. It keeps you off the streets. Me, I'm going to be hugging a tree and sucking down a carton of smokes while I watch heaving, sweating idiots like yourself strain yourselves. If you need any help finding body fluids to throw on your lunch carcass, give me a call. I can always summon up a bit of phlegm for a good cause. I am, I was, I will be
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Re: Turn the testosterone down a wee.
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com) on Jul 20, 2002 - 06:55 AM
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Sheems like I tousched off a chord!
Ho ho ho!
And quickly the posts at the bottom of the page turn into a shit-fling fest of vesticular proportions!
I do believe, that in the heat of yarfing bile into my keyboard and clicking my rudeness coated mouse that I did forget to log in. Ho ho ho!
Monolycus, Cashmere, these standards were not set forth for you to comment on. If you are both smokers, and both vegetarians, whoop-de-fucking-doo, you fall into one of the rampant generalizations I like to make to see how pissed off you kids can get. Ho ho ho!
The point was, Cashmere, if you missed it: Anybody who takes up a regular standard of life will become addicted to it. Meat eating, smoking, pounding off, buelemia, pounding off, drugs, alcohol, pounding off, having hot monkey sex in the back of a volvo, pounding off, whatever. All species have this characteristic of being an addict, nobody qualifies it in animals simply because we think of it as a natural behavior for a creature to perform the same tasks regularly. The only thing that distances our behavior from the animals is that we do it mostly for pleasure; they do it for survival. Except, in the case of foods. As our minds become regularly adapted to a certain intake of chemicals, our behavior must obviously change. This is not news.
The next level of thought must come quite obviously; people will become socially averse to eachother. Of course vegetarians will hate meat eaters, because hate is derived from fear, and fear is what all second tier consumers have for meat eating creatures. This may be a lot subtler, since most species have automatic of switches to prevent cannibalism, but the social aspects are quite obvious, as our sweat glands release different pheromones into the air social reactions of those around us are altered.
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Re: Re: Turn the testosterone down a wee.
by Monolycus on Jul 20, 2002 - 09:31 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | Here's an interesting approach: If you are going to be pissed off because people jump into a conversation they have found in a public forum, maybe you could have your conversations in private. If you're going to fling in a public place, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy when the flinging goes two ways.
Also (and I wish someone would explain this to Dennis Miller), just because you can frame a comment in a snide tone doesn't make it clever or insightful. This second-tier, uberidiot nonsense might make you sleep better at night, but it doesn't hold any water in the reality that happens outside of your cranium. If you want to pretend that there are legitimate reasons to feel superior to everyone and everything that is your own affair, but acting like the world is flat doesn't make it so. At the end of the day, you are still a zoon like the rest of us (and that includes most of your diet as well), with all the limitations that implies. Funny you should trash the religion posts with the others since that is really the only way for human beings to come close to justifying that they can stomp all over the rights of other living things. Ah well, as has been shown, it doesn't have to make sense for someone to assert it loudly and obnoxiously. |
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Re: Re: Turn the testosterone down a wee.
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 01:50 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | You joke about how quickly it comes to shit flinging....well shall I remind us all WHO THREW THE FIRST WAD?
As for people hating what they fear, I fear NOTHING AND NOBODY because unlike you I EDUCATE myself on my opinions before I take them. You are the most fearful, hateful, and bigoted retard EVER. Here's another gold star. You're really racking them up, aren't we sugar pie?
You'll be head of the asshole class in NO time.
Won't momma be proud.
I don't hate meat eaters. I never have. My family eats meat. My husband's family eats meat. I have several friends that eat meat. I dislike the fact that they do, but it's their life and their choice to make an educated decision. It doesn't make me love them less, it doesn't make me fear them, it doesn't affect my opinion of them.
Unlike you, I can look at the whole person, and not a dislikeable portion of them only to dwell on it like an OCD crackpot and make their undesirable parts their whole. It all centers on respect, which you have for nothing and nobody. My best friend for 13 years is an xian. I am not. We RESPECT each others opinions and beliefs. Amazing, people having totally different backgrounds being inseparable for over half their lives? I'm sure in your book that's impossible, because you live to hate, you live in fear, and you have nothing of value to give to anyone....only a bad aftertaste.
You respect nothing and nothing respects you.
And again, you hypocritical little asswadd:
"Monolycus, Cashmere, these standards were not set forth for you to comment on"
Well, aren't we all of a sudden mr. fucking social referee, dont' like it when people disagree with you? I sense a trend.
It was as much their place to comment on this as it was for YOU to start your usual idiodic antics. They'll mind their goddamned business when you learn to mind YOURS. If you can run amok and be an asshole, it's because it's a PUBLIC FORUM, not your little personal king of the hill playground...and they have every right in the WORLD to go and say what they please. Their words are of more value than yours will EVER be. To ANYONE.
Mr. diplomatic when things don't go your way...man, man, man you are something else! You would make an excellent psychological experiment.
Thesis: Unsuccessful manipulation of people with BRAINS. FAILURE: TERMINATE IMMEDIATELY.
The only people that most of the public become "socially adverse" to are shitdisturbing loud mouthed rude and socially inept little skids like you who form little primate rock throwing parties at anyone you think might tell you that you're WRONG.
Of course you think that people eventually become socially adverse to each other...because in the rental space behind your eyes it's AGAIN ALL ABOUT YOU! I can see how people would be socially adverse to you....and I'm very very sad that the circus sideshow was deemed "Un PC" because they could rake in a MILLION on you.
Man, am I sensing a theme here or WHAT?! Man, if it's not paying the rent in your skull then by golly it MUST be wrong!
Post script sweetpea: For someone SOOOO VERY RIGHTEOUSLY against "consumerism" you sure do love supporting the animal products industry...the largest and most fetid and most selfish consumeristic ideology out there.
Let me know when you learn to spell hypocrite.
There may be another gold star in this for you.
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shallow end of the pool.
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 01:27 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Alright, EVERY FUCKING MONTH I come out with some bleeding heart vegan shit, right?
Shows what an unread little lying bastard you are.
I've posted THREE over the course of TWO YEARS.
Every other month? Self obsessed little liar, are all your dilusions of grandeur as accurate?
The only reason religious DISCUSSIONS around her get "smashed" is because you do NOTHING but run around like a retarded little cumstain and rant and rave and scream and piss and moan and get your dainty little panties in a big fat WAD over how stupid everyone is BUT YOU. *YOU* do all the bashing around here, pal, because you're a childish, immature, disrepsectful, ungrateful, snide, snotty ARROGANT little BITCH. Because YOU haven't the foggiest idea in that little wad of shit that bounces between your fucking ears how to hold a DISCUSSION. A DEBATE. You can't even ACCEPT that other people have different IDEAS. WAYS OF LIFE. FEELINGS. You're an insolent, manipulative, brainless, self aggrandising, rude and ill tempered little SHITRAG that has nothing better to do with his sorry, pathetic, WORTHELSS existence than be the NASTIEST case of intellectual herpes you can manage.
NOBODY has EVER posted a religious item with "I'm going to heaven and you're going to hell"
This is good shit, comedian, where, O WHERE do you come up with this? Unlike SOME people (you) that post stuff for the benifit of OTHERS...to pose IDEAS and get OPINIONS, you just post to benifit your prickish ego....and have one more thing to get a hard on over.
You're the biggest goddamned hypocrite I've EVER seen....you're so right, yet unfailingly WRONG. Hell I don't even HAVE to point out the chinks in your argument...you lay them bare the moment the top of your head blows off. VEEERY convenient, and for this alone will you ever hear me thank you.
WHO THE FUCK ARE *YOU* to speak against fucked up minds?! KIDDO YOU ARE *THE* POSTER CHILD FOR SHOCK THERAPY. You come off all cool, and "smart", and as soon as someone says something that gives your knickers a good hard twist (even when they aren't speaking to you...wait, maybe we are, afterall, you said it yourself....WE'RE ALL OUT TO GET YOU!) you SCREAM, PISS, MOAN, CRY, BITCH, LAMENT AND possitively WAAAAAAAAAAIL. Believe me, I LOVE IT. There's nothing more satisfying that to see everyone's favorite unpoppable pimple jump into a conversation and blow a fucking gasket where everyone can see. It's better than the fourth of july for me kid, watching you burst a hemmeroid.
Again, to the "genitals" bit (we're a dirty lot, aren't we?). Well JUNIOR you aren't the only person on this fucking page, and if it doesn't pertain to you kindly STEP THE FUCK OFF. Again, a simple post, a simple FACT, that has NOTHING to do with you, and you turn it into the same old garbage flinging.
Because it IS all about you, isn't it mein little feurer?You ask if I have too much fat in my genitals? I suggest you check your beloved carnivorous hard on because I think from the past few posts you've made, the swelling is cutting off circulation to your brain. And easy on that meat loving chubby...we'd hate to see you get a concussion. That would make us SAD *frowny face*
Thank you for reminding us ALL yet again where your intelligence lies. Here, you get a gold star.
AND I don't care how fit you are! All the exercise I see you getting is running your fucking mouth! Can't speak for the strength of your coyote arm, but hey, you're the one who doesn't want to bring anyone's sex lives into this.
Take your four minute mile off a half a mile bridge. Just make sure someone's taping it. I'd hate to miss that. Make sure to bring your waterwings, I'm sure there's a vegan christian drug legalizing chainsmoking political party out there with a conspiracy to shorten the VERY bridge you choose to jog your little olympian quest on. LOOK OUT! WE GONNA GETCHA! BOOGEY BOOGEY BOO!
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Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Schizo on Jul 21, 2002 - 06:33 AM
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And I'm a xian carnivore non-smoker! Isn't that strange?
I'm so glad Comedian posts stuff on Shmeng! Not only do I get a laugh out of his fanciful flights of what he flatters himself as logic, but I also get treated to a first-class Bettie-rant afterwards!
Isn't it just too precious how he comes barging in, flinging his favorite shmeng, then thinks he can blame the stink on the other posters? |
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Re: shallow end of the pool.
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 08:02 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | I love it when you try to wave people back into reality and away from thier fantasy land! After all logic is logic and ignorant self interested noise is ignorant self-interested noise and you are particularly good at telling the difference. I wonder if he thinks that his brain (?) drippings make sense to anyone else, that being the point of communication after all, to get someone esle to understand and idea that you have. Maybe he just doesnt have any ideas? Maybe he thinks that random strangers will somehow care about the drivel that he pours out and wants to pretend is an opinion rather than the whining attacks that his posts actually are.
I think he proves the point about food makeing people crazy, if he is telling the truth about his "diet"....
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Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 08:51 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | yah because you wont accept love, only hate. you dont believe that people can like you, so you make them hate you.
Dont be any more of a hypocrite that you have to be kiddo. it only makes you look worse and feel worse. |
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Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 08:56 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | | and sticking to the "reality" trend here, you refused a hug that i wanted to give you. You refused to be loved, again. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 09:03 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | Of course I refused to be psychologically manipulated by you again. You gave me shit about giving you jelly beans when I came home from work and trying to make a joke about your apparent spaciness; the same point you made then applies here. It wasn't a fucking hug; it was a stab in the face.
Hell, you even fucking told me the second day I lived with you in Long Beach that it was all a game with Giles. Are you that fucked up? Did running away and doing all those drugs fuck your brain that badly? You're a wheelchair short of being an invulid now, and all your energy goes towards fighting him.
You gave me shit, blew smoke directly in my face on more than two occassions, and your reality was the most fucked up place I ever had to spend a year. At least I don't have to fucking stay awake at night while you microwave soycakes and leave the fucking kitchen door open with the light on. Jesus god. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 09:13 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | Once again child, you try for the personal attack and fail. This isnt about the fantasy land in your head, this is about the real world. This is not about you trying to get hate from people instead of love, since you dont know the difference. This is not about imagined "pain" that people have inflicted on you thereby giving you licence to fuck with everyone around you in hopes that they will do it again.
This bitchfest was about your lack of manners, ideas, words, thoughts, personality, morals, sense of humor, responibility, common sense, logic, or grip. The same reasons that you have no friends and idolize the unibomber.
Stay in the hills, now that i "made" you go back to where you wanted to be. Blame me again for giving you what you thought you wanted. Twist the world around to make yourself the victem again.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 09:24 AM
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Why don't you call me?
We'll have a heart to heart. Rather than you just saying "everything you say is imaginary." Maybe it's time we found out who we both really are, since bvously I've never known you and you've never known me. |
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Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 08:54 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | Well, here it comes. You complain about me typing every cussword or even cussing nin every sentence, then you go and capitalize every single one in your post. Lovely.
Let's talk about spelling.
hemorrhoid,
delusion,
ill-tempered,
aggrandize(aggrandising is not a word as far as I found)
hilarious
But, you know, after reading and not proofreading your post, I realized you were extremely angry. That didn't shock me; whenever I come othe board and post something sarcastic in an attempt to get a rile out of you, you always come through. And little Schizo and Plyn are right behind, backing you up. It's like sme kind of x-chromosone triad, girls either with their brain fluid leaking out of the hole they got their spinal from(Schizo and Plyn), or just pople with a rampant case of PMS that seems to run 25 days a month. Mood swings and swollen ankles, I'm afraid.
You have not challenged anything I've said Bettie, about second-tier consumers on the food chain or about anything else, while you point out that the arguements are so wholly goddamn wrong that they could be called "The Wrongest."
And I do run. Not recently, but since I'm back in the hills again where the air is clea and there's no danger of stepping in shit, I'll take it up again. The sport of Olympians indeed, ecause when all things are taken away from a person all you can do is run.
Bettie, you responded to my post with the fact about the genitals. I can't assume otherwise that the arguement was targeted at me. I didn't see it any earlier in the thread, but that may just be the fact I'm some male basard with a belly full of big-eyed fluffy farm animals and a hard-on directly trying to rape your point of view. "Oh, silly me, bad Comedian, no burger."
Does it bother me? No. You're the one screaming and pissing and whining about my screaming and pissing and whining and wailing, and my insolent, ill-tempered, paranoid, bastardish, childish, shitlike, cumstainish, intolerable, whacko, and something else behavior.
Hell, I've gotten more laughs out of your posts than anything else. Challenging you is like shooting Goliath in the ass with a bb-gun: you don't do it to win, you do it to watch Goliath piss himself with anger and run around screaming bloody murder for half an hour while he rubs his ass.
Ask me if I really give a shit. Or two tugs of a dead dog's cock. Or three shits on a tin roof.
But if you want a shit slinging fest, we can debate this shit to the end of the hills, and neither of us will change, we'll just be angrier with eachother. |
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Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Schizo on Jul 21, 2002 - 04:28 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | Callei has my undying sympathy.
Comedian, you are acting like a child. You know, any ape can throw shit just for the reaction. It doesn't take intelligence to do that.
Usually, you provide me with a welcome source of amusement. But you've become boring. The only interesting thing in this has become Bettie's venting, which she has brought to an art form.
You have ceased to even be controversial. Your senseless attacks have become very, very old and predictable. Your insults aren't even worth countering anymore.
Oh well. I guess all amusements grow old with time and repetition.
Anyway, the only person who is really damaged by your attitude is yourself. So you're welcome to your little fun. But please excuse me if I go yawn. |
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Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 05:58 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | | All right. I've had it. You have gone way beyond trying to make a point, and have just become offensive. You don't want anyone to hear your opinions rationally, you're just trying to attract attention by getting a rise out of people. Before, it was amusing, and the only one who bothered to rise to your bait was bettie, who did so I suspect because you give her such good material for her very entertaining outbursts. All well and good. But you have begun to attack the valid opinions of everyone else who has posted on this without the use of good manners or good vibes. You are behaving like a spoiled child, and spolied children should never be catered to. So I suggest to everyone that until this child can speak with other people without throwing temper tantrums and resorting to hatefulness and name-calling, he should be given a time-out. Silent treatment for Comedian. |
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Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 07:45 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | | Thanks Meranda. You really break through the sameness of Bettie's vitriolic venting and Schizo's echo of a personality to provide first-rate, intelligent, worthwhile opinions that have at least 5 minutes of thought behind them. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Schizo on Jul 22, 2002 - 04:11 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | | Wonder if he even realizes that Meranda-Jade said pretty much the same thing you and I have been saying all along. Oh well. You and I are demon-bitches, so what we say is only fodder for his laughter. As if we care. But I do agree with Meranda. He's being like those kids who beg for negative attention. Let's not give it to him. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 22, 2002 - 12:44 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | I'm already done. DOne done done, finnished and thensome. His actions and behavior have only gotten worse, more rude, more insolent, more violent than in the past, and I have no more interest in it.
Demon bitches unite, schitzie...I'm fucking THROUGH.
Too bad he'll see it as "winning" once and for all, but hey, one more dilusion of grandeur to the stack in that dusty rental space between his ears will pretty much go unnoticed.
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by Schizo on Jul 22, 2002 - 01:55 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http:// | Who cares what he sees it as. His inflated ego won't do him anything but harm in the end. It doesn't hurt us. Really, I feel sorry for the chap. It's gonna hurt when his bubble gets burst!
Why are some people so obsessed with being "better" than everyone else? Who gives a damn about everyone else? I think it's a sign of a huge case of insecurity, personally.
I only used to argue with him because it was kind of fun to get him going, and it was good mental exercise to think out my opinions. But it's no fun anymore because I don't need to get him going, he's got himself going just fine alone. He's said everything before, and now he's just on repeat-rewind-repeat-rewind and it's monotonous. *sigh* |
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by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Jul 22, 2002 - 02:04 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | | He can't see it as winning. He got spanked, and the game is now over. You don't win once you're taken out of the game. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com) on Jul 22, 2002 - 06:07 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | No, I see it as watching your tempers finally fail.
Delusion, Bettie, d-e-l-u-s-i-o-n. One "i." |
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by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 22, 2002 - 11:04 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | You should talk, yet again. Hypocrite.
Grammar corrections: The last ditch effort to appear intelligent when all other arguments have FAILED.
Shall I go through some of YOUR posts and bring to light YOUR idiot spelling errors and fractured sentences? Nah. You're not worth the time. Or energy. Or the skin sack you waste.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: shallow end of the pool.
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Jul 23, 2002 - 06:01 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | | If you talk to him, and keep him in the game, then he wins. Ignore him, no matter what he says. Eventually, he'll go away. |
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Re: Re: a second note
by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf at hotmail dot com) on Jul 22, 2002 - 01:38 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://Xaoswolf.tripod.com | And I thought that the post I wrote made me sound like an asshole, but you had to come along and steal my gold medal.
Anyways, you got the reaction you wanted when you made this comment, now quit whining about it. You remind of some guy who hits his rottweiler with a stick, then bitches and moans about it biting his arm off. |
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Re: Re: Re: a second note
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com) on Jul 22, 2002 - 06:09 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://http:// | Hooooosh. Bling blang Xaoswolf, thought you'd be more of a fight than that.
Bruce Ackmed Muhammad Ah-Lee, coming through, with the golden gloves and the grin to match. |
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Jul 21, 2002 - 02:01 AM
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SOoooooooooo does anyone out there have anything they'd like to add to this? Don't be bothered by the garbage at the bottom, it's just the same crap, different post.
Do you really think that the food we eat (not just animal products) are driving our kids mad? With learning disorders and behavioral disorders and the doctors dealing out meds faster than a meth lab in auburn, doesn't it make your eyebrows go north?
Everything from cheetos to mcdonals and genetically engineered crops....c'mon kids, I know you have an opinion.
~ and for the record I don't hate meat eaters! SO THERE.
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by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Jul 21, 2002 - 07:53 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | I have often wondered why people that dont trust the governemtn with thier money trust it with thier lives. You can always make more money after all.
I know that with kids that i have babysat, the ones that get fed more crap food are more emotionally distraught all the time. I've never met a kid that ate meat happily until 5 or 6 years old (the age when socialization becomes more important than thier inborn wants).
But im with ya on the pay attention to what you eat thing. meat is a waste of resources, candy is a way to teach kids to be addicts, and floride causes cancer.
A neat point about western society is that it is constantly trying to erase its kids; beat them, drug them, and or torture them. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by KatB (satanslittlehelper@hell.no) on Jul 22, 2002 - 03:37 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.magicka.net | | Lived in France once, noticed it wasn't unusual to mix antibiotics in the baby-bottles, almost by default. I reckon this is close to child abuse, as the kids had fungus sort of everywhere... (Sorry 'bout crappy English, haven't practiced it in a while...) |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 22, 2002 - 12:41 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | I won't complain about your english because it's a SECOND language...whereas I can only speak one :)
They mix antibiotics in the bottles?! JEEZE!
Don't they realize that children adapt faster to antibiotics earlier in life and that regular exposure to such will make antibiotics USELESS in the future against strep, bronchitus, and other antibiotics treated illnesses?
Why on earth do the kids have fungus?!
Ew god. |
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Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by PrismKat (prism7cat@hotmail.com) on Jul 25, 2002 - 11:53 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.geocities.com/prism7cat | The information I've heard about food's effect on humans almost always sounds reasonable and should scare me half to death, should at least cause me to make vast changes to my diet, and yet.. I still eat as I always have. It just grosses me out now.
Something I read many years ago that shaped most of my thoughts on food is "omnivore" by piers anthony. It disturbed me about humans being omnivores. So i became almost fully carnivorous. *ate naught but meat and fruit for ages* My parents/grandparents told the children how the animals suffered and that they should not have been killed in vain, *ie eat up* and I felt I should be vegetarian. But didn't. *this is irritating.. i'm trying to stick to a point but whenever i write i ramble.. i don't know if any of this helps people understand what i'm getting at so i'll leave it just in case*
I have lived almost solely on meat, and have yet to go mad. I feel for the animals, and understand the vegetarian rationales, and get sick if I think that the meat I'm eating is just muscle and fat from an animal, but keep on being a little carnivore.
My brother, however, has always eaten "fake food." As a baby he wouldn't eat anything but ketchup, mustard, and sugar. As a nearly-teen he won't eat anything but coke *soda people..* and sugar unless it's been created in a lab and frozen for microwave preperation. Crazy as a june bug. *whatever that means...* Has the attention span of a puppy, barely passes each grade, has violent bursts where he seems to randomly scream/get mad/hit someone, etc..
Why do I feel like my family is a secret experiment by people that wanted to know "what happens if I do this?"
If I'm not making any sense please either say so here or send me a message. It helps greatly to know such things. ^_^ |
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Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Jul 26, 2002 - 06:33 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | What you do is called a paleo diet... eating as a caveman would eat. Any diet that cuts out all the unnatural substances that are so prominent today in food is a good one. Sugar especially will make you absolutely bugshit. Paleo is eating anything you could eat if you were in the wild with only a stick and a loincloth. No vegetables that need to be cooked or refined to be edible, no grains, no dairy products... that sort of thing. It's supposed to be really healthy. I tried it once and got lots of energy, and dropped 10 pounds in a week. Unfortunately, it's also expensive, you're buying meat and fresh produce, and both of those are more expensive than grain products and canned foods, which are loaded with chemicals and salt.
Another diet that I'm starting to like is the raw food diet... eat nothing that has to be cooked or processed... this by its nature in this day and age of nasty meat that is dangerous if you don't cook it, is vegan... but there's no way to get nasty substances in your body on it, if you buy organic, non-genetically messed with produce. The idea is that if you cook vegetables, you kill the enzymes that are what your body needs, so eat them raw, in their natural form, and they're almost pure goodies. Kids that grow up eating processed food, and scorn vegetables, are getting very little in the way of nutrients, and are ingesting loads of chemicals, and that's enough to make anyone crazy. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 26, 2002 - 07:16 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Someones got to keep those colorful flavorful fun shaped children's vitamin companies in business...
If you get your kids to enjoy veggies, their snacks can be raw veggies...most do, they are crunchy, wierd shaped...like most snacks. IT's getting them OFF the fatty salty sugary placators that's the issue so their taste buds can recover and start TASTING again.
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Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 26, 2002 - 07:11 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | It's not so much the meat...it's exactly that. Nothing but refined sugars and processed garbage.
Dorritos and coke and lollipops don't make for a stable person.
As EVERYONE and their mother knows, I have a severe personal "issue" you could call it with meat.
That's not the point.
Some people have a biological need for it (tho I wonder if the component found in it could be found elsewhere..out of curiosity) and some tolerate it just fine. I choose not to.
I'm talking the milk, the milk products, refined sugars and genetically engineered crops. The "flavors" and dyes they have to reintroduce into foods because they were stripped of it during processing. DON'T think this is healthy.
When I see easy feed products introduced to the market...portable everything, plastic wrapped everything...preying on the frazzled nerves of anxious mothers who really do want the best (and easiest) thing for their children...they don't investigate what that food went through to BECOME so convenient. And what those added components could be doing to their kids brains.
Most kids who have home cooked meals (vegetarian or not) are more in control of themselves...kids that eat nothing but prepackaged convenience snacks and meals are usually bouncing off the wall and rather manic.
Good for the drug companies, but what for the generation of doped up half crazed junk food junkies? What about them? Can't take those pills forevery, you know.
Anybody here have a grandmother on ritalin?
Coming soon to an overinhabited planet near you... |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by Meranda_Jade (Meranda@mymind.com) on Jul 26, 2002 - 07:53 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | My thoughts exactly. I figure, as long as it's 100% natural ( or as close to it as you can get.... these days it's damn hard to find food that's not been ruined) it's good for you. Anything else is very bad. Kids that eat nothing but convenience foods are manic? And I thought mine were enough to drive a saint crazy... :-) I'd hate to see them on the sugar, convenience food diet. (not that sugar and food dyes don't sneak in there sometimes, they DO have grandparents who don't read labels... and once in a while I am just too damn tired to cook, so we do the fast food thing) I do try to keep it under control, though. One of the hardest things about being a parent is figuring out how to feed kids right, and make them like it.
One time I was at my sister's house for easter, and not only was everyone glaring at me for going through the kids' baskets and reading the labels on the candy and taking it away if if had lake dyes... My sister, who had fixed a nice easter meal, gave lunchables to her daughter. When my daughter asked why the other girl got something different, my sister told her that "she won't eat regular food". That poor kid will not eat anything that hasn't been prepackaged...and my sister does not have the will to say, "you'll eat what I put in front of you, or you'll go hungry" When my sister gave all the kids juice pouches... the kind you stick a little straw in, I told her she was just asking for a mess... my kids had never had one. I don't buy faddish convenience foods. She was shocked that I was "denying my kids their childhood". Then she proceeded to say my kids were socially backward because they were homeschooled... but that's a different topic. Sorry, just had to rant here... |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 26, 2002 - 10:27 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Socially backwards...*scoff*
has she been to a highschool anytime lately? Or hell, a GRADESCHOOL?!
Socially backwards...unless properly educated is backwards....I guess.
We got lunchables once in a while...she actually said won't eat "regular food"? Well has she considered what her daughter is eating if it's not "regular food"? Who's backwards?
And what the hell does prepackaged garbage have to do with having a childhood? Childhood is play, learning, and play. Does she allow her kids to play with the juice pack when they're done? I thought all packages had to have "this bag is not a toy" printed on them for THAT REASON.
"Here honey, play with this bag, mommy's on the phone...yes dear, it IS funny when you stick it over your head and puff it up like a balloon..yes, go play with the bag...mommy's on the phone, and these psychic hotlines AREN"T CHEAP so if you wanna go to college mommy has to get her lotto numbers from ms.cleo and she can't do that if you don't go play with the nice bag!" |
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by forthemoment on Jul 23, 2002 - 07:52 PM
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Something that really bugs me is the fat and how high in calories food is. It can make a fat person very suicidal. It's sad how necessary yet dangerous food is. Not that I agree with this book, but it's true...
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by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 25, 2002 - 12:24 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | Yes, but not ALL food is like that naturally....most of the times the fat and calories are there to replace TASTE that is lost in processing.
People LOVE the fatty/salty tastes that are put into their "regular" food. Most people consume so much fat and so much salt that most food that is ordinarly quite flavorfull tastes bland and plain.
Salt and fat deaden the taste buds.
I found out years ago that mere months after altering the ingesting of my regular diet of salty fatty processed foods, that normally bland and disgusting foods acquired new and delicious tastes.
I hated brussel sprouts and asparagus for YEARS...until I cut out all the fat and salt and now I can't get enough of them just plain old steamed.
My favorite teenage meal (other than whoppers *gag*..if only I knew then what I knew now) was a turkey sandwich....smothered in butter, salt, and gravy. Couldn't taste the turkey.
Most of my meals now are quite additive free...little butter, little salt (just for a little added flavor), mushroom gravy for dryer foods. It's amazing the recovery your taste buds make when you quit OD'ing them with salts and fats.
You don't have to agree with the book, but it made me think a LOT about what people put into their bodies and how it may effect even more severely children. |
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Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by KatB (satanslittlehelper@hell.no) on Jul 25, 2002 - 12:42 AM
(User info | Send a Message) http://www.magicka.net | | It's no trouble practically leaving salt out totally, whatever you make yourself just tastes so much better - after you've gotten used to it, though. The BIG problem is, the moment you eat anywhere but home, you can't taste nothing but salt! Having a busy life with little time for cooking, I actually had to increase my tolerance for salt :( |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 26, 2002 - 07:19 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | I have a busy schedule too and I make time to make portable home made meals.
Have you tried those little tupperware containers that are disposable but reausable, and are divided for containg whole meals without them squishing together? You can premake snacks and meals, put them in the thing and freeze them, and you have portable entrees and teevee dinners that aren't full of garbage. Mix home seasonings and ingredients (dried..food dehydrators ROCK) and make your own cup of soups? There are ways when there are wills...it is sort of sad that you would have to up your tolerance to salt just to be able to stomach "outside" food.
Thats why I make it a point to know where I can eat and what I can eat and if I can't, I bring my own :)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Crazy Makers
by Anonymous-Coward on Jul 27, 2002 - 10:54 PM | Hey Bettie X...I've been lurking this site a little bit, and you seem to be the resource for dietary concerns. I just found out that I have some severe food allergies (not anaphylaxis severe), to milk eggs and wheat. After close to 3 years of doctor visits, tests, bloodwork, and psychiatric counseling
for an overwhelming multitude of bizarre symptoms, I finally found a holistic Hygeinist that treats actual causes instead of symptoms. (Gosh, why didn't I think of that? Or, better yet, why didn't my doctors?)
The book you were talking about sounds too familiar. It makes alot of sense, now that I know what I'm dealing with. For over ten years, I've dealt with severe depression, coupled with a once crippling social anxiety/ panic attacks and strange phobias. For the past 3 years, my icing on that fun little cake has been, bad tension headaches, strange pitches & tones (inaudible to any one else...
great!), virtigo, extreme aches in my extemities (like "growing pains", only Vicodin worthy), debilitating weakness to the point of not being able to walk my dog, do my grocery shopping, or anything, really, but sleep up to 18 hours per day. My knees started to make a sick grinding sound when I clamber up the stairs of my house, my hips hurt so bad, I can't sit on the floor, cross-legged, things were dropping out of my hands. I genuinely started to believe that I had a terminal illness and was really prepared for an M.S. diagnoses, after "doctors" ruled out Rheumitoid arthritis, Lupus, Cushings' Disease, and brain tumor growth. They conveniently call "mystery" illess "fybromyalgia" or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
I just turned 27...so....something here is fucked! Wait! I think it's me! =) All I can say is, thanks to "modern medicine", I just pissed away several years of what could have been fun. I am SO glad that I found a practitioner that not only knows what is going on with so many "unwell" people, but
also who is there to make them well, not keep them sick in order to pad their already bulging wallets.
Blah Blah Blah! My point to all this is- you're right, and you're very intelligent to have made a choice to live the lifestyle you seem to, and to have made a conscious decision to just be aware, not like the millions who midlessly graze at gross fastfood restaurants, wondering why they're fat and tired.
(Btw- I frequent the PETA website and reading about slaughterhouse practices, among other things, sent me to bed sobbing, with a bottle of Attivan...but that's another thread).
I am attempting to go ahead and go full-fledged Vegan. I was considering it anyway, before all this mess. I would really appreciate any advice or any good recipes-for dummies, that you might have!
Thanks- Brenna |
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by hecklnjecklnhyde on Jul 28, 2002 - 12:06 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | Sorry...Allergic AND stupid...it's Hecklnjecklnhyde. No wonder I couldn't find my post....this "Crazy Makers" thread is becoming a WEB OF INSANITY! MWAA! MWAA!
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by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Jul 28, 2002 - 06:32 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | I don't need to hear I"m right, but I doooo love it.
I'm so sorry about your illness...and I"m very glad you found someone who knows how to treat the human body. Kind of a shame these people are usually labeled as hippies or spiritual treehugger wacks. Just like the "medical" practice, there is always room for fraud, so always tread carefully and check their resources/cridentials.
I don't have a lot of time, but if you click on my name it has my email address and I can direct you from there...PeTA has a LOT of websites and info, but if you type "veganism" and "vegan recipes" into yahoo's search engine, you'll get page after page of free recipe websites as well as info how to get all your nutrients and what to avoid (especially with allergies). Most vegan sites also include parts for wheat/peanut/grain allergic people too.
What I do is go site to site when I have time, print out the pages with the recipes on them, and put them in a binder (nicely devided by type of dish or dessert)...a homemade custom cookbook.
If you do it right, you can do veganism for little more than most already spend on food. It can be expensive, especially for the fun "luxury" itmes like totally vegan (and for once, EDIBLE even YUMMY) cheese and such.
Start your cookbook asap, and you'll be suprised the things you can make animal free.
I make cookies
cake
cinnamon rolls
lasagne
tacos
portabella mushroom "steaks"
cornbread
you name it. Where there is a determined vegan there is a way.
At my wedding, I had a DISGUSTINGLY FANTASTIC and indulgent three layer chocolate and TOTALLY vegan wedding cake with possibly the BEST frosting I've EVER tasted...the guests were RAVING over it, couldn't believe how GOOD it was, asked where I got it, what type it was.
Oh the joy to see their faces when I told them it was vegan...and then explained what vegan was.
The crazy thing was, it was HUGE...for about 60-70 people and was only about $250. Luckily I live in an area with a lot of rich trendy hippies, and I remembered the upscale vegetarian "cafe flora" who was home to the best and most eclectic vegan baker in the northwest.
If you look, you will find. I was an avid cheese lover...I worshiped it. Quit cold turkey (pun intended) and haven't even looked back. DOn't miss it at all.
And yes, the hidden videos are the worst. If you ever want to make sure you go vegan and STAY vegan rent "meet your meat" by PeTA.
It's gruesome, sick, sad, and you'll never look at your plate the same way again. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
by hecklnjecklnhyde on Jul 29, 2002 - 02:01 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | Thanks for the ideas, I will definitely check out the site for recipes. It shouldn't be to hard to convert, as I've been a vegetarian (on and off, but mosty on) since I was about 15. Don't talk to me about cheese. I will miss the hell out of that. Bought some tofu cheese & the dog wouldn't even eat it. Then I got one of those, "how dare you insult me" looks.
I saw a couple of your wedding pics on this site- you two are so cute! Good for you for customizing your wedding into something individual and original. Generic and mediocre seems to be the theme of the world today. I hope you guys are really happy together! Thanks again. |
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Re: The Crazy Makers
by Stille (Stille@fuckingwicked.com)
on Nov 20, 2004 - 03:56 AM
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Bettie, are you sure that BOVINE growth hormones can affect HUMAN beings? I mean, we're talking different species.
And it's not the dairy that makes kids fat, I'd weigh 400 pounds if it did, considering my diet contains huge amounts of dairy. It's the fast food. And the tons of sweets. And the lack of exercise. If all a kid does is sit and watch TV while munchin' donuts, of course he'll put on weight fast.
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