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bettie_x on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:15 PM PST
While watching the president pardon the national thanksgiving turkey, something struck me.Aside from my fiancé and I forwarding a lovely little note about the yearly impending national days of murder.... er... thanksgiving... christmas... easter... WHATEVER...
I decided to just post some fun non dead animal alternatives to the traditional holiday carcass.First off, turkeys, don't thank anyone on thanksgiving. (You wouldn't either if you were bred to spend your short miserable life crammed into a cage with several other miserable birds with no bedding, no light,no heat, bad food, and rotten neighbors only to end up naked, tied, gutted and headless onsomeone's kitchen table with bread and veggies stuffed up your yinyang.) Santa Clause doesn't visit the veal calves on the outskirts of the dry lot dairy farms where they lie in shacks in blistering heat or freezing cold, restrained from movement to keep their muscles atrophed and "tender". The Easter Bunny doesn't return the eggs taken from chickens who were biologically shocked with light, sleep, food and water deprivation to the point of death to reset their laying cycles, blinded by the amonia fumes of their own uncleard dung below their cage, legs broken from trying to nest on hard wire cage bottoms, and eyes pecked out by aggravated, anxious, and frightened neighboring birds. The piggies in concrete pens who have to nurse their newborn pigletts through steel separation bars aren't looking forward to an xmas ham..or being it, for that matter.Yes, there is a point to this...I suggest TOFURKEY!!!!Quit your gaking already and hear me out, I've had tofurkey and it is RAD. YUMMY. Its a small roast about the size of a cantaloupe with stuffing inside. It comes with "drumsticks" made out of the most flavorfullveggie/nut/blackbean stufing concoction I've ever had, and "turkey" gravy. Fred meyer'shas them on sale, but it's well worth it.It can easily feed 4-5 people, or two or three if you fast all day in anticipation of stuffing your face.PETA also has a nummy vegan nut loaf that I've also tried. It's not as good as tofurkey, but a good alternative to those who are allergic to soy..The PETA website also has lots of yummy vegan holiday and everyday dishes and desert recipes that may suprise you how varried and EASY the food is to make, and how delicious it is. I've had delicious onion soup with garlic mashed potatoes, sweetpotato corn chowder, stuffed green peppers, stuffed zuchinni, a FABULOUS vegan lasagna that is soy free and death free (only if I don't use whipped silken tofu as riccotta cheese) that I invented myself.....all cheap, all easy, and all cruelty free.Hell, there's holidays all throughout the goddamned year...what's trying something new just ONCE going to hurt...all those dead damned animals will be on sale the followingday so if you hate it you can make up for it later for christ's sake. Plus you get the benifit of a healthy, low fat, murder free meal. Save a life this holiday. It's the best gift you can give to an animal with no future..And stop wearing leather...it's neither fashionable, sexy, or cool.Pleather or veggie leather is 10 times more durable and half the cost.Famous vegans:Elvira: Mistress of the dark River Phoenix Summer Phoenix Sister of RiverPaul McCartneyGhandiAlicia Silverstone Actress Annie Curtis Jamie Lee's DaughterBenjamin Spock Medical DoctorCoretta Scott King Martin L.K., Jr's wifeDennis Kucinich US CongressmanDr. John Harvey Kellogg DoctorDrew Barrymore ActressEarth Crisis MusiciansEd Templeton pro skateboarderElizabeth Burkley ActressFiona Apple SingerFugazi . bandGeoff Tate QueensrycheGeoff Rowley pro skateboarderGillian Anderson actressJack Dangers Musician (Meat Beat Manifesto)Joaquin PhoenixJulia Stiles actressK.D. Lang MusicianKatherine Monbiot arm wrestlerKeenan Ivory Wayens ActorKevin Nealon Saturday Night LiveLinda Blair actressMartina Navratilova tennis playerMoby SingerMushroom . Massive AttackRikki Rockett Musician (Poison)Sara Gilbert ActressTom Scholz BostonWeird Al Yankovic Comedian/singerWoody Harrelson actorJust to name a few....visit elvira's webpage!http://www.elvira.comand PeTA's website...http://www.peta.comand MY favorite by far, THE LETTUCE LADIES (and the brocolli boys)...tossedsalad, anyone?http://www.lettuceladies.comREAL men are kind to animals.peace out, kiss your pets, save a turkey.end transmission.
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Uh oh..
by Rae (darkness_embraced1@yahoo.com)
on Dec 09, 2001 - 07:29 PM
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Gosh Bettie, you really have a way of making me feel terrible for being the carnivore that I am..lol. (not to mention the black leather sectional I am sitting on..gulp!) I am so terrible that I can't walk past the meat department in the grocery stores without drooling over all the selections of prime cut juicy meats.
Veggies?? If you could only see the expression on my face just by the mere mention of the word. Mr. Yuck out to give you a good visual.
I will eat salads, I love those..but forget all that other "good for you stuff".
So...what you guys don't want, can you pass down my way? *ducks out of pot and pan throwing range* :)
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Retake
by Rae (darkness_embraced1@yahoo.com) on Dec 10, 2001 - 07:52 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://darknessembraced.vibechild.com | Reviewing my post, I realized that I may have come off insensitive to the sincerity of your post,
and for that I apologize. That certainly wasn’t my intention.
On a serious note, I have never had the knowledge of the mistreatment that these animals are
receiving, just for the sole purpose of human consumption. Of course, it is knowledge that I have
never even tried to seek out, until now.
After following this article with some research regarding the mistreatment of livestock, I must say
in all honesty that I was pretty shocked. To go even further on something I never thought about
until now was the threat of Anthrax. They are now watching closely for deliberate infections of
anthrax amongst livestock. I’ll certainly be studying my next meal with some contempt. |
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Re: Retake
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Dec 10, 2001 - 08:23 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | oh goodness, no I wasn't offended!
I'm not so frail and sensitive as most here...some people just like meat. I did once, I used to absolutely LAUGH at the thought of being merely vegetarian, much less *gasp* a VEGAN!
There is a lot to learn about what your meal/outfit goes through before it's sat in front of you.
PeTA has a lot of good resources, books, and such on not only what animals go through even in the DAIRY industry, but what is IN it as a result, and lots of healthy and good tasting ways to substitute meat. I use veggie ground round and make tacos, burritos, enchaladas, spaghetti sauce, lasagna....honestly, you can't tell the difference other than you don't feel weighed down and sleepy afterwards.
There are veggie deli slices that are very yummy put out by Iyves, and Amy's vegetarian pot pies have pieces of "chicken" and vegetables and taste like a regular carnivorious pie.
They make vegan mayo, cream cheese "scream cheese", parmesan cheese topping, but strict vegan cheese is HORRID!
I've learned to work with it, as I've learned it shares none of the properties of regular cheese at all. Boca makes vegan burger patties (which, conincidentally were served by ampm for years before switching to real beef) and soy hot dogs are really good, without the grissly stuff, grease, and those enigmatic little hard things that make you shudder to think what they once were. There is vegan mac&cheeze also, and soy milk for coffee, cereal, baking etc.
It really is a tragedy, and if analized further, it's a form of not racism, but SPECIEISM.....some blame the bible, some blame their taste buds, but it all comes out the same. Some buy "free range" animal products, but why bother...they still end up dead.
I, probably like you and a lot of other people, were brought up on the store picture of happy cows in pastures, pigs in warm mud holes, chickens neatly and happily living behind wire fences in coops, farmers coming to gently collect eggs, milk, whatever.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
They spend their lives in the dark, surrounded by filth, by death, by sorrow, and are tortured. I remember vividly one scene where a sick cow was not sold at auction, so it was left in the auction yard to die, where it was eventually removed via FORKLIFT to the "deadpile" where numrous other unclamied dead or dying animals were piled.
I could go on for hours, but if you really honestly want some info on veganism, vegetarianism, recipes to try, and if you feel you just can't do it, I can supply videos and horror stories to scare it into you...if you want :)
You didn't bother me...but I swear the next person who runs up to me and says "you're vegan, huh...what're you going to do it I stuff a hamburger down your throat"
I'm going to scream...though I will not fight the urge to dig out their eyeballs and skullfuck them....
have a good night, and if you are even slightly interested at all, mail me through here or at
[email protected]
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An alternative to the alternative to the national days of murder...
by Ironboots on Dec 10, 2001 - 05:36 AM
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How about, instead of eating procesed lumps of cheese, we DO eat meat... But raised in a special way...
See, you raise him in an environment as close as possible to his natural one (whatever that is, thanks to domestication... ) But whatever. He has friends to play with, the natural foliage to choose from to eat, and fresh water.
But every now and then, the hunter (you) comes along. And none of that cheating (gun, knife, bow, etc), you have to take him on yourself (no teaming up on a single animal). Run with your own damn legs and catch him. If you can't catch him, you're not deserving of his life.
This way, the animal lives happily and naturally, and has a chance of not dying. You gain some exercise (you lazy gluttons!) and hopefully, a tradition... (okay, kids, time to go get our Christmas dinner!)
Go it the NATURAL way! We were born to be carnivores!
(okay, I know someone will pipe up with "but we're omnivores, sir" so just hold that comment... I know.)
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Re: An alternative to the alternative to the national days of murder...
by Silvernyte (silvernyte@hotmail.com) on Dec 10, 2001 - 06:58 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | | Sounds good to me. I bet if people had to catch their own dinner, they would be a little more respectful of what they eat and how much of it they throw away. I like my meat, it's just how they handle it and what they pump it full of that makes me wonder if I should be eating it sometimes. |
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Re: An alternative to the alternative to the national days of murder...
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Dec 10, 2001 - 08:30 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | In all honesty you shouldn't :)
Most of the meat you eat isn't fully digested.
Your body takes in what it needs like protein and vitamins, and the rest, the garbage, is expelled. Protein and vitamins that can be found in almost every other thing besides a living thing. It's unnecessary, and unfair...
I started vegetarianism for health reasons....I started veganism soon after when showed the "uncensored" side of the animal product industry... |
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Re: An alternative to the alternative to the national days of murder...
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Dec 10, 2001 - 08:27 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | I do agree to some extent, and yes, we are omnivores *ducks*
I was heartened, by chance, by my family who bugs me about veganism every friggin' day, and they did agree that if they actually had to kill what they eat, they probably couldn't do it.
Naturally, we were born as scavengers, and our bodies aren't meant to consume the horrendous amount of meat that the average human consumes each day.
And yes, if the world of humans worked by natural selection anymore, I would say fair is fair. But it doesn't . We have the power to drive up to a little window and ask for any animal we want on a bun with ketchup at any hour of the day or night. But with power comes responsibility.
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The Vegetarian Debate
by Maranda (saboneta@aol.com)
on Dec 10, 2001 - 06:06 AM
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Excellent idea. While I don't have a problem with people eating humanely raised, chemical free meat, I have a BIG problem with our meat industry. The human cost (slaughterhouse injuries, contaminated food, deforestation, heart disease, etc.) is almost as bad as the cost to the animals. Those who don't believe me can check out Eric Schlosser's Fast Food Nation.
I had given up meat myself until three years ago when a combination of medical conditions forced me to give up almost all grains and many legumes. Kind of hard to get the right nutrients without any of those.
My other half is vegetarian, although not vegan, and last Thanksgiving we made a terrific meal of all the traditional Thanksgiving side dishes-- potatoes, yams, veggies, etc.-- just no turkey. Nobody complained.
Besides, there are so many flavors in the vegetable world. Meat just tastes like meat.
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Re: The Vegetarian Debate
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com) on Dec 10, 2001 - 08:33 PM
(User info | Send a Message) http://bettie_x.tripod.com/strangeasangels/ | and meat does taste like meat...and if you don't eat it for a couple of months, it doesn't even taste like what you remember "meat" to taste like...it tastes like SHIT and you think "how could I have ever eaten this!?"
and then you puke all night when your body rejects your inhumane meal, and you NEVER forget...it's horrible. It's happened to me. You swell up, feel like you're going to die, then you puke all night.
Humanely raised is better, but they still end up dead.
I'm glad you opted for a cruelty free dinner...makes me smile that people will try something new once and awhile :)
and next year, or this xmas, TRY TOFURKEY! |
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Re: The Vegetarian Debate
by Maranda (saboneta@aol.com) on Dec 11, 2001 - 05:52 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | Actually, I had the opposite problem. I gave up meat, did all the research on how to combine foods to get the right proteins, ate a vegetarian diet for five years, and got sicker...and sicker...and sicker. Turns out I have celiac disease, which means I can't metabolize amino acids from any gluten-containing grains (wheat, barley, rye, oats, spelt, etc.). Plus I'm mildly intolerant to legumes. Plus my body chemistry isn't completely normal, and metabolizes proteins in about three seconds.
When I started eating meat again, I felt like a new person. But I don't eat much. A full serving of meat is about three ounces. Our Paleolithic ancestors didn't sit down to 16-ounce strip steaks.
Fortunately there's a health food store near me that carries free-range beef and responsibly raised fish. I wish everyone got their food that way. |
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Re: The Vegetarian Debate
by Anonymous-Coward on Dec 11, 2001 - 07:43 PM | Yeah, I don't know what I'd do if I had some medical condition that made me eat meat....I'd die.
I guess if it comes down to it, humanely raised is better than mass production plants that push animals from birth to grow big and die.
As far as the ancestors...YES! They didn't! People think that they're being natural by eating at black angus every other night and having a slice of muscle tissue as big as their head....our ancestors didn't eat a whole lot of meat...mostly scavengers, and small animals unless as a pack they managed to fall a large animal, and even then there's only so much you can eat until it goes bad or is overrun with other scavengers...
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Re: An alternative to the national days of murder...
by Dolorosa on Dec 10, 2001 - 08:58 AM
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Yikes...you bring up a very valid point, this TOFURKY stuff bears further looking into...even if it's name is horribly easy to mangle into something profane. Still, where is the mystique of an American holiday that does not envolve the pain of small defenseless animals? Can it truly be enjoyable when we aren't ripping the life out of something just a few rungs lower on the food chain than we? Yeah sure...I suppose...it would even be humane and all that junk...but it just wouldn't be fun. I suggest eating people dressed as turkeys. Theres just too damn many of them anyways...and I'm sure there are a couple people out there you'd just love to chew on. Two birds with one stone, inhumanity to turkies, and solve overpopulation by the braindead masses...still, cannibalism has it's problems, people are so unhealthy, or so I hear...purhaps this TOFURKY is just the thing we need...
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Re: An alternative to the national days of murder...
by Dolorosa on Dec 11, 2001 - 06:22 AM
(User info | Send a Message) | | another point...touche' Now I'm actually considering going against my usual carnivorous tendencies. Weird how, devouring animals is one thing...yet contemplation of murder is something else entirely. I for one admit the idea of severely hurting someone who invokes my ire is a lot easier then ripping the flesh off a helpless creature...I wonder why that is. I wonder if they have TOFURKY in japan...as a matter of fact, I wonder if they even have freaking turkey. |
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Re: An alternative to the national days of murder...
by Anonymous-Coward on Dec 11, 2001 - 07:55 PM | I bet they have BOTH if you look...japan is full of newfangled thingies in food and play...look and see.
That's just the point...they are helpless...not bred to populate a species, bred for death, torture, pain.
Not to mention the cruelty of slaughterhouses....they've taken hidden video where attendants have left live animals hanging from their ankles from the ceiling while they took their lunch break...one of the live hanging cows broke loose when they returned and attempted to charge them on broken legs out of sheer terror, and they beat it to death....or that some hogs are actually still alive after the tamping of their spinal cords and are conscious when dunked into the scalding vats...or cows that are still alive from careless brain stem bolting and conscious when sent through the automattic skinner and die at the rendering machine.
Or lab animals....gassing as many as 30 cats at a time in a room meant for 10 for up to 3 min under the gassing time to kill them...and are rendered imobile and die when the formaldehyde is injected into their blood stream...this is founded by jaw clenching, breathing motions of the chest on imobilized animals, and pupil activity when injected with the embalming fluid, all caught on hidden video.
It's sick and it's sad and it's absolutely an abomination that this shit goes on without anyone knowing or caring...after all, they're just animals, right?
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Gee...
by Dolorosa on Dec 22, 2001 - 10:09 PM
(User info | Send a Message) | | Checked around...turns out they have something like Tofurky...well, tofu, but still...I guess it'll do. As for your incredibly descriptive cataloque of animal tortures...I can only sit in awe and wonder...why can't we do that to people! It'd be so much more fun...poor creatures. |
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Re: An alternative to the national days of murder...
by Abbadon on Apr 06, 2003 - 10:10 AM
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