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| Articles: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck? |
Posted by
Domkitten on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 02:37 PM PST
“Why do you want to be an embalmer? “
“Because of the bodies. “
“What do you mean? “
“I make love to them. “
“Really? “
“Yeah... dead bodies. “ –From Lynne Stopkewich's Kissed
I would say it was about 1 am. I was channel surfing while I was painting. When I paint I like to watch bad T.V. There is something I find inspiring about bad T.V. For me it always makes good art, because, if I want to be entertained while watching bad T.V. it is pretty much up to me to make the entertainment.
One of the interesting things about Korea is that they show movies here all the time. I get to see all sorts of crazy stuff, with no commercial interruptions. It’s like having HBO for free. Rather nifty when you get down to it.
It was about 1 am and I was looking for something in English to watch while I was painting and I stumbled upon this strange movie where, after listening for a few seconds, I was convinced that the characters were talking about corpses.
I was not to be disappointed, as the movie continued, I lost interest entirely in the pieces that I was creating, because I was fascinated and a wee bit disgusted by the movie I had found, called simply Kissed.
The main character Sandra is in love with death. Not the concept of death or dying, or a need to kill herself or inflict harm. She is in love with the dead, and indeed makes love to them. She is learning to become an embalmer because she is fascinated with death and needs to be close to it in a way that is sexual in nature. Sandra says
“It was like diving into a light... suddenly cold, and silence. Their bodies floated, solemn and shimmering. I watched their lives flow out-- who they were, what they've done. My hands burned like I was touching dry ice. And all I could see was the light... I looked right into it.”
Alas for Sandra she becomes the object of desire and pursuit of a classmate, Mark, who is obsessed with her obsession with death. He cannot understand it, wants to become it. He tries to entice her to make love to him while he lies completely still, clothed in his best suit, wearing make-up. He tries to understand it from the position of the corpse. He wants to watch Sandra with the dead, and even, in a last attempt to make love to the dead himself as a way of understanding her, and showing Sandra his love.
At 1 am a number of things will go through your mind when watching two people talk passionately about corpses. I wondered if this desire to possess the dead sexually would really fall into the category of Goth.
An interesting thing about the movie representation of this is Sandra’s love of the “stillness” of the bodies. When Matt pretends to be dead he cannot become as quiet and as still as a corpse and so he fails in his attempt to offer himself to Sandra dead while still living.
I’ve discussed fantasy and sexuality and the subject of necrophilia has of course come to the top of the discussion more than once. I’ve heard one girl describe being placed in a bathtub full of ice so she could play dead for her boyfriend. I found it weird, but not nearly as disturbing as the representation I watched last night.
Kissed is not a Goth movie and yet it is. Sandra does not dress in black, she is not abnormal in look or appearance. She is not overwhelming beautiful or ugly. She is average, normal. Her only deviation is her love for the dead. Matt stops her once when she comes to his apartment for their nightly tryst. He grabs her hands and says, “There’s still blood under your nails”. Sandra later complains that his apartment is too noisy, too warm. Unspoken is the comparison she is making between the apartment and the morgue, where her real lovers rest.
What makes this movie so fascinating is it’s rather frank and stark portrayal of this female necrophile. She is not spectacular or amazing in any way. Perhaps this is because her character is underdeveloped, or because as an audience we do not spend enough time with her (the movie is only 80 minutes long).
And so I found myself wondering after this, is Necrophilia goth as fuck. Death, blood, blackness, and orgasm are some of the key components of Gothos. However the true connoisseur, one who must really love the dead, would they? could they? ever really be Goth? Or, because of their addiction to the dead, are they not more Goth than we could ever hope to be?
Online Reviews:
Fuck Death
Kissed
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Average Rating : 3.4
Total ratings : 5
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Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com)
on Feb 28, 2003 - 02:43 PM
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This reminds me of the "Suicide Girl" part of the Sexy Losers comic
http://sexylosers.keenspace.com/007.html
You might have to flip through a bunch of them to see what I'm saying - but it's worth your time. Especially if you're having Flem comics withdrawals.
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Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Mar 01, 2003 - 03:35 AM
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GOD this reminds me of a short story I read a while ago, I dont' know the name of it, the author, or the exact story line but it was SO like this.
It's about a queen who is arranged to marry this king guy or something, but he won't touch her AT ALL, and when he does he forces her to stand naked in the cold air by the window until she's chilled to the bone, then make her lay perfectly still while he fucks her. No sound, no movement, pretty much made her "play dead". I think she ended up killing him. I wish I could remember the author. It's in a book of short horror stories, I'll see if I can find it.
I think if they'd made the girl overtly bizarre or "goth" it would have taken away from the movie, as come one....we all know the line from stunned neighbors on the news when there is a cannibal/serialkiller/sicko caught: "I never would have guessed/they were so normal/nice guy, great to my kids etc" Wierdos and sickos aren't OBVIOUS...they're as "normal" as "normal" gets...ambiguous, chameleons almost, because if they WEREN'T they would be spotted and be eyed all the time and their illness or craziness would be caught before it came to full frutition. Wierd how that works huh?
In my personal opinion it's NOT goth as fuck (except for in very sick very funny cartoons or comic strips, because hey, I get a kick out of it, but not when it's REAL *EW*), it is in my OPINION.....grody, with a capitol G and lots of barfy sounds inbetween.
I guess in theory, of course, it WOULD be, but if it were the case (as well as so many other "goth as fuck" ideals) then goths would be MESSED UP MOFOS.
I should find it and watch it. I'm up for something icky/interesting.
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Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by gothicmorman (litty_klj@hotmail.com)
on Mar 01, 2003 - 05:42 AM
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i would just like to comment on the second review -
"However, "Kissed" did fail in one respect-- helping the audience to understand the basis for Sandra's necrophilic tendencies. At the opening of the film, her obsession with death has already taken root and no exposition is provided as to why it has such a hold on her. Aside from morbid curiosity, what motivates her? What in the living world does Sandra find so discomforting that she must find comfort with the dead? More background on this seemingly-complex character would have created a more sympathetic narrative, perhaps even to the point of universalizing her struggle for the audience. "
those questions dont seem to be something they could really explain to the audience, you kind of have to figure it out yourself...
on another note, good question it sounds like cool movie...
the ruthless
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Kissed
by IamSquid (undisclosed)
on Mar 01, 2003 - 06:14 PM
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I enjoyed this paticular movie but I found that the ending deformulated the my impression of the movie's flavor.
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- Re: Kissed by Domkitten on Mar 02, 2003 - 02:09 AM
Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by feralucce on Mar 02, 2003 - 08:45 AM
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I do not think so... Most of the things associated with the gothic lifestyle are an active life choice. Fetishes... are not a choice... any-phile, had no choice in what they are doing... the physical reaction is hard wired into them. almost instinctual. The Gothic lifestyle is about embracing the path you choose... not conforming to what you must nececssarily be...
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Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by Anya on Mar 02, 2003 - 11:15 PM
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Interesting. I don't think I'd consider Necrophilia much of a Goth trait, though. As callei's detailed article on "What Makes You Goth" says - someone who likes the dead could be Goth, but it isn't what makes them Goth.
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Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by Dolorosa (SixOfSwords@IU.zzn.com)
on Mar 03, 2003 - 02:15 PM
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Ah, personally...Necrophilia is interesting, but not really my thing...during sex, I expect to get bit, chewed, bruised and well...fucked...and if a dead person is doing that, then some baaaaad george romero shit is going down.
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Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by VladII (vladII@seznam.cz)
on Mar 13, 2003 - 01:58 AM
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oh, this movie sounds really interesting. but is the necrophilia goth as fuck?
yes, i see there some elements which seems gothic, but i think if you want to be goth you do not need to practice necrophilia.
i do not know what to think about it . we live in (usually) democratic states, but is this legal ? if i imagine that someone do thi things with MY dead body---NO!
so i think necrophilia is not a good "thing", in some another practises there is some place for free will of the secon person but here not. so necrphilia is not goth as fuck.
(my opinion)
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Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by GothicVampire (maestuscorvus@hotmail.com)
on Mar 21, 2003 - 12:27 PM
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I will agree with Feral on that. Goth is about choosing your own way throught life. Giving into some philias is not goth at all. Also I will disagree with Domkitten that goth is about blood, death and orgasms. Hey, if it was like that then we all goths should be out there having orgies, making sacrifices and cutting our veins. And that would make us just another bunch of psychos, and we are not psychos are we? I find death interesting and charming because it is something I haven't explored yet but I am not willing to explore it before my time has come. I don't find the need to make love to the dead a way to explore death or anything like that. I just find it as a need to express your own sexual dominative sick nature. Love is about creating life and uniting life. Love with the dead is not love. So my point is just necrophilia is NOT goth as fuck.
- Goth_Vamp
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Re: Is Necrophilia Goth as Fuck?
by Malificent on Mar 21, 2003 - 03:45 PM
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Is it me...or did this end up rather like one of the many "What is Goth" articles?
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