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| Articles: Libertinage - The Art of Loosing Yourself |
Posted by
Poison on Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 05:41 PM PST
Even though I can't speak for everybody in the world and in this matter I don't have a point of reference, I feel I am able to discuss my own view of the matter.
A "libertine" is a person who lives an immoral life and always looks for pleasure, especially sexual pleasure, is the dictionary definition. The definition is wrong. A libertine is a person who has risen beyond society's moldy expectations and policies, a person who is able to cherish his or her peers without judging them by their gender, race, religion, job, look, or practices, a libertine is a free individual who has understood a greater truth. Though the libertine life is condemned by many, it is the most amazingly happy existence anybody can imagine, since the dawn of men. I won't lie or pretend that it is not without risk, but when you realize how much you get back, if you only just love people for who they are, you feel you can cope with anything being thrown at you.
Why should we live up to anyone's expectations except ourselves? Why should we accept something just because our so-called "superiors" tell us? How come people feel entitled to pass judgment on everything that they don't understand?
There is no jealousy in the libertine life, nor are there gender imposed barriers. But best of all, there is no fear, no more. A true libertine will not fear life, will not fear exploring every little aspect of it and will not fear actually stepping forward, alone and with an open mind. This individual will take the experience given to him and filter it through his/her own mind and "heart" thus managing to keep what fits the best and growing somehow through that. There is another matter that addresses this issue, sex and affection, as well as any physical satisfaction of the sort are pleasures libertines do NOT do without. While sex may be a taboo for most people, or what am I saying? - for old fashioned people, libertines feel it is a beautiful act that has no comparison in the world, and what else but sex and affection brings us infinite joy? Libertines possess an untainted passion in all their acts of love and lust, because, let's face it: one is no good without the other. It is this passion that angers outsiders of this belief, practice, life style, philosophy or whatever you should choose to call it. No matter how a libertine should choose to express it, be it gentle and tender, or rough and painful, sex is still beautiful and perfect, and should never be regarded as wrong and sinful. Concepts such as these build a gruesome verisimilitude of the world. However, this horrible picture blissfully lacks from a libertines perspective. Yet another defining trait.
Everybody says there is no way love can occur when monogamy is not present. But monogamy and/or heterosexuality are set concepts, while libertinage breaks through everything and offers a new, more exciting and free concept of what love is, or should be. This free love is as beautiful as poetry. Ever heard that line that says "If you love them set them free"? This line, though a bit of a cliché is true and living somewhere, deep in our minds. Libertines have regained that lost and "forbidden" thought and put it into practice. What came out of it? Ecstasy and rapture, or in contemporary language: polyamory (http://www.polyamory.org/) (means "loving more than one") - having multiple relationships with the knowledge and consent of your partner(s) rather than by deceit. But polyamory is just an example of what libertinage has come to symbolize. Actually loving the partners, if only for a short time, and I can't emphasize this enough: not in a possessive or restraining way, but a free sort of love, is real at the time in the mind of a libertine. Love can come and go, last for long or short periods of time, fade or burn or be completely out of the picture, but it can take the shape of anyone's character.
Why limit oneself to just one partner or just one gender? Isn't everybody supposed to be looking for that lost part of themselves, the big love, the soul mate? Well, then, how about if it's the same gender as you, or how about if it isn't just one person? Are you going to deny it the right to step forward and, in excitement, offer its hopes, dreams and expectations to you? Thinking like this, doesn't it seem petty and cruel? Why close the door to one side because society preaches for it? Why is it so imperative you do only what society says? Society limits not only our choices, but also our lives. If you should choose to listen to it, it will deprive you of your natural curiosity and need for pleasure. It is for these very reasons that libertines are cast out, because they don't see the boundaries anymore, they cannot be told what to do, whom to love and whom to marry, to an extent, although I'm not sure marriage is the best example. (Why should a stupid little piece of paper be the proof for the love and support we have to give out?)
Why I entitled this "The art of loosing yourself?" Loosing simply implies casting out that side of you society crafted or built for its own benefit, not considering the individuals needs and pleasures. In order for the world to work, as it has so far, people need continuity; there is nothing certain in the life of a libertine. Half of the pleasure received by a libertine is that of enjoying that uncertainty. Not knowing what tomorrow has to offer and smiling at it, loving beauty and sincerity, considering the term "relationship" as vague as "normality", focusing on what people have to say rather than what they are labeled as are some of the so-called principles a libertine values. Hurt, pain and suffering do not belong, jealousy and stupidity only have pain to offer, while libertinage offers new grounds to explore, new satisfaction and happiness to experience.
Why do I call it an art? My definition of art is anything that worships beauty – projected in any of a million ways possible. There aren't many things more beautiful than an open and contented mind.
Life is NOT a torment, living by someone else's standards and trying to please everybody IS. Libertinage is about magnificence, beauty and/(in) rapture. I don't know if I actually managed to get to you people reading this by what I said, maybe I should continue and fill page upon page with words of and about beauty, love and the like, or maybe I should just ask: who are you and are you satisfied with yourself?
Love beauty, freedom and determination, love yourselves as you are and love others. Be satisfied.
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Re: Libertinage - The Art of Loosing Yourself
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com)
on Nov 10, 2002 - 03:32 AM
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Sometimes I think they let stuff like this get posted just to see everybody get in massive fights. Like pouring coca-cola down an ant hole.
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Re: Libertinage - The Art of Loosing Yourself
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Nov 10, 2002 - 01:08 PM
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Loosing yourself also means being able to not fall under the ideals of loosing yourself. While polyamory is what works for some, it doesn't for others. I have absolutely no problem with those that love more than one, but as for myself there is no way it would work or be right for me.
I've met a few "libertines" that were SO libertine that they couldn't UNDERSTAND how anyone could live differently, that having ONE devoted partner could be right for someone, that "playing nice" could ever be necessary or get you anywhere in life or make you happy, and who also bitched about "Trends" or "sheep people" and "idiots"...when they're supposed to love EVERYTHING. I've been called closed minded and "blind" by libertines, simply because I don't see things as 100% LIBERAL as they do....because a sense of order and structure and PERSONAL "Rules" are important to me and make ME comfortable and happy, as well as "getting along" with family and the things that go with it.
I say be happy however you can...either full on "libertine" or just living as you want...even if listening to "rules" and "structures" are what make your life full.
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Re: Libertinage - The Art of Loosing Yourself
by Closetgothbabe on Nov 11, 2002 - 07:54 AM
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You have to do what makes you happy, that is very important. I know I do what makes me happy and dont give a shit what anyone thinks about it. I also respect what others do, and there decisions on life if thats whats good for them then its ok with me. My parents dont seem to understand this , maybe they will be more accepting one of these days *sighs*
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Cut back on the prunes.
by Monolycus on Nov 11, 2002 - 05:03 PM
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Okay, I can no longer keep this inside without it chewing a hole through my gut. The subtitle of this article (and several instances within the article itself) mentions the concept of "loosing" oneself... which I had just presumed to be a typo and was prepared to let it go at that. Unfortunately, others have gone on to expand upon the idea of "loosing" themselves. The word that I believe you are looking for here is "losing" (hopefully you have only temporarily misplaced yourself. I am sure you will turn up in the laundry. That's where most of the things that I have lost eventually turn up) and not "loosing"... which would imply that you simply need more dietary fiber.
Once again, I am sorry that it had to come to a lecture, but errors left unchecked will only multiply. As Lao Tsu advised us in the Tao Te Ching: "Once is a typo; Twice is carelessness; Three times is grounds for placing a call to the Grammar Police". I hope this has helped. I am
misplaced.
~Monolycus.
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Re: Libertinage - The Art of Loosing Yourself
by silesius on Nov 11, 2002 - 11:15 PM
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first i want to thankyou.. i've been working a site now a while.. haven't envisioned such a wonderful synthisis of ideas as going on here..
so i'm looking for a site to sidicate.. my web master picks this out because he likes goth..
hey.. now i have my share of manson cds.. the poeple with the mice just would never let me into there click..
now.. ok.. i'm not a teen.. i'm feeling that this is for teens..
oh.. ok.. then i read this article..
let me show you my entry from a few days ago to give you the picture in my mind
i'm figuring what to do from here.. my gosh.. people around me get so fed up with my raw food fasting.. vote with your purchase campain.. plus.. i'm an artist.. a jobless on the computer all the time artist.. truelly facinating.. i feel an opening where none have yet dreamed.. i know that something wonderful is on the horizon
let us begin this interview with questions about relationship
i want to know how you define it
i'm interested in understanding what you have in mind for long term envolvements
now .. the reason i'm asking..
i have been pulled in two directions
one.. the player' .. the have sex with multiple partners.. haveing sex is just what attracted people do.. no rules.. everybody is with everyone who they find sexually arousing.. very healthy.. i see nothing wrong with this so long as.. like i think everyone is mature and mutual in such a relationship.. i don't know!
two.. the believer in true love.. just waiting for the right person to come along.. they are going to show up.. if they don't then.. well.. um.. i guess.. no sex.. just waiting for someone who is going to want to create an exclusive family orentated relationship.. thinking marriage.. kids..
i don't have my life together in any way shape or form.. i'm no place close to.. i don't even have a car..
ok.. i'm thinking.. so what is this coming to..
when i do get a car.. then i'm like a top shelf pick of a mate.. what are my rules of engagement?
perhaps i'm shallow
what i want to know is.. in your own life.. what is good loving?
what kind of sexual relations do you feel comfortable with..
are these choices that you have made?
where have those choices been derived.. i'm interested in knowing the expeirence has lead you to this conclusion of belief
how many poeple do you engage in the prospect of relationship at the same time?
what is the line of friendship?
what is the difference between having sex and making love?
i'll tell you what this has to do with me..
i have a difficult time with these questions
i want to know that if i'm ever with a person that i'm not hurting that person..
myself included..
that in the future what ever happens between us.. we will both be better off
i think this line of conversation is so very important
i don't know.. tell me how you feel
what makes you a freind forever?
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when i read about livertine.. i'm thinking wow!! this is what i had a sense to question.. i was looking for someone who could answer this.. this is the perspective i was wondering if it existed..
i think that this site will be a wonderful compliment to my work.. so i would really for now love to mutually pursue a co-virtual modulation..
pleasure through you!!
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Time to open this can of coke and start pouring--
by Comedian (eccentrically_long@yahoo.com)
on Nov 12, 2002 - 08:20 PM
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Sex is a basic biological function. As far as I know, three different species of mammal are the only creatures on earth that recieve a sense of 'pleasure' from the act of reproduction. Humans, as far as is known at this point by biology, are the only one of the three species to able to achieve autonomous climax(masturbation).
I loathe the concept of love between people. Hell, on it's base, I loathe people. Nothing can inspire as much hatred, virulence and absolute intolerance in my mind as people who believe in polyamory(the end result of this self-inquiry is reached by realizing that I not only hate people who love eachother, but who also claim to love multiple people simultaneously).
Passing off geniunely sleazy, amoral and selfish beliefs under the guise of passion-- passion for passion is not only self-destructive, but ultimately corrosive at the basic idea of impassioned art, writing, beliefs or even views of life. Passion about something is ultimately seflessness dedicated to the topic or ideal-- which libertinage is not. Libertinage is indulgence into sex and a view that glares at it as an object of curiousity and exploration.
Is it about exploration, really? About testing the limits, pushing the envelope, and believing that we are to do no less for the betterment of society? Because ultimately libertinage is "what love should be?" Defining abstract concepts is difficult at best-- and attempting to sell them off to the rest of society is even harder. The threat of being run through the streets of some gawdawful village late at night and being impaled by the farm insutrments of a hundred angry peasants is so pleasant to the mind. But people with passion do not rise to the chase. They die quietly in their prison cells, neither rushing to the windows attempting to give the Masonic sign of ditress and then being shot by a volley of rifle fire(for all you Mormons out there, this pun was intended to rile you, and I hope you are running over the lines of your blood oath to the prophets). Real passionate people become martyrs without accident or without the blindness of followers.
This entire article offended me from the moment I saw it-- not from the fact that Libertinage has hurt people I know, and feel platonic love for-- but for the simple air of it. Losing yourself, casting out the side of society that binds you, free love, beauty, art, freedom, determination. All words fanatics use to make something horrible sound like something indispensable, something that to cast out as both dangerous, stupid, and self-destructive, would damage all of society and all the people within it. The height of ignorance to ignore and not practice-- this is what offends me. Shoving a beer can up a woman's ass, and trying to hit it when you have an orgasm while some fucker in a corner makes cat noises while he licks curdled milk off a grungy sesame street plate and some bondage queen screams at him at the top of her lungs while trying to urinate on him and whip him at the same time, and the aforementioned woman with the beer can in her ass orally copulates a bloated man in elf ears reclining in his velvet cloak is not art. It's just a bunch of idiots getting off because they need those things, that sense of communal love. Embarassment is the root, acceptance is the answer. Just like the fucking cults.
I know a girl who is a libertine. Boyfriends in the double digits, a few girlfriends, and none a partner for more than a week without the consent of another. She quit recently though as she contracted a venereal disease. She's in pain. She cries at night. She's 15.
I hope some of you who are considering this at least think of tha girl before you go out and enjoy "passion" and "beauty" and "true love" with 6 others. Think of a 15-year-old girl on a farm, scarred for life and crying because of the pain. Burned her candle twice and bright, and it burned out twice as fast.
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Re: Libertinage - The Art of Loosing Yourself
by Merry_Widow on Nov 13, 2002 - 05:36 PM
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I love, and I am happy. That's all there is to it.
By the by, Mono, you never came across as an asshole. Not to me, anyway.
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Re: Libertinage - The Art of Loosing Yourself
by inward (-)
on Jul 30, 2004 - 05:21 PM
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If "losing simply implies casting out that side of you society crafted or built for its own benefit, not considering the individuals needs and pleasures", then we are all losing ourselves, be us libertines or not. We all relate to society, to groups - rejecting or accepting their mentalities, according to our own needs.
You know what they say, one man's meat is another man's poison :)
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