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Articles: Cosmopolitan Goths |
Posted by
Arthegarn on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:07 AM PST
This is a translation of a full page article in Spain's "Cosmopolitan" Magazine this month about Goths. It's titled "Sinisters" because that's what Goths were called here in the 80's, but I'll translate that as "Goths"
"SINISTERS
They were born in the 80's in the big cities of Europe and north America as an answer to earlier movements such as the hippie. For Goths, life is sadness and chaos. They dress in mourning and have a cult to the death. Their idol is Marilyn Manson. And amongst their fetish writers who feed this tragic and tetric sense of life there are Lord Byron, Mary Shelley, Allan Poe, Baudelaire, Ann Rice...
Mauricio Delgado, 17. Javier Zapatero, 19, Goths, students.
"We dress in black because we are mourning. And we are sad because life is shit, it's too hard" says Javier. "I was attracted by the gruesome aestethics... people move away when they see us in the streets. The other day some kids came to touch us and see if we were real, and then they started crying...(laughs) There are also people who laugh at our appearance and insult us" confesses Mauricio. "As a matter of fact we are way more sincere than all other people: we play as we are, not like hippies who are all day as if everything is happiness and everything is very beautiful. What's that? That's hypocrisy, and we are against hypocrisy, that's why we also loathe the Church and their members, they are all a bunch of falses" comments Javier. "Well, we can't dress like this at work because we would be fired" clarifies Mauricio, full of common sense. "I work so I can pay for these clothes, the face makeup, the chains, the rings... to work I have to go dressed normal" he adds. But both claim that being a Goth is not a fashion but a philosophy of life, and that they will be Goths forever, they say.
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In Spain Goths were not known by the majority of the public until this year's TV boom started by Lord Goth. We have been receiving a load of neonates who are as Goth as I am a hippie, lots of people with a deep inferiority complex who wish to feel different and special, who need to feel they are part of a group and who have chosen the group with the most external signs possible. So far we have been lucky and public appearances have been by more or less intelligent people who did not play into the showmaster's games, and we managed to stay with a reputation for shy, intellectual people who want to be left alone above all else. Lately people on the TV shows have been far from acceptable as they are new wave Goths rather than “cultural icons”. And now this! I know these guys personally, they have not read anything beyond Anne Rice (not even Stoker), thought the House of Usher had to do with Cthulhu and can’t even write Baudelaire properly. Not that any of these is needed to be a Goth, of course, but “real” Goths certainly don’t mess around saying they have read what they have not
We are infuriated. Miguel and Pedro, owners of 666 (nightclub), even posted several “Wanted” posters with the photos from the interview for “Idiocy Beyond All Hope and Marilyn Manson Worship” (pity I didn’t see them).
Shade, there is another twist in the plot...
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Re: Cosmopolitan Goths
by jadedraven (smithsm@alfredstate.edu)
on Mar 28, 2002 - 07:40 AM
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um, ewww...
You know what pisses me off? People always say that Marilyn Manson is a cultural icon for the "goths." I like MM, don't get me wrong, but it is not because I am goth, or he is goth, or any of it. Believe it or not, i really do like MM for their music, the lyrics, the guitar riffs, the way it makes me feel, all of it, not because he is "goth."
people are sooo dumb
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Re: Cosmopolitan Goths
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Mar 28, 2002 - 06:51 PM
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"life is shit"...uh huh, yeah.
I LOVE MY LIFE...as boring as it is, I wouldn't trade it for the world. I like being alive, I'm not in goddamned mourning. They're against hypocracy, which is why they're against the church "because it is fake"? Hell, I might let that slide with a few drinks in me, but though I don't drink with hypocrites, I especially don't with smuttbrained little retards that think wearing black makes them special.
Good god...I'd love to lock those two in a dark room and pump bauhaus and clove smoke under the door for a few days just to see what happens.
Marilyn Manson is a showman first and foremost, and a damned GOOD showman to get all those kiddies and such into a wide eyed glaze of adoration...and a RICH showman, at that. Not a "goth idol", hell, not even a cultural icon...he's one more in a long list of successful shockrockers throughout rock history...it all began with elvis' hips, jim morrison saying "high" on the johnny carson show, ozzy ozborne accidentally biting off the head of a live bat (thought it was fake)and peeing on the alamo (also by accident), alice cooper's baby doll shredding fits...or the costumes and fake blood and pyrotechnics of kiss ("know what that stands for?! Knights In Satan's Service!!" *snicker*). It's old hat with a new face and a higher level for pain.
Put up wanted posters...bet those guys were all hyped up thinking they were gonna be so cool and so popular being in the paper, the spokespersons on such a trendy subculture. Wonder how long it'll take for them to show their faces in public again...and I'll bet they leave the makeup at home.
What a couple of dorks.
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Re: Cosmopolitan Goths
by Dolorosa on Mar 28, 2002 - 07:07 PM
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Damn Harry Potter goths...
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Re: Cosmopolitan Goths
by oohp (oohp@gotik.nu)
on Mar 29, 2002 - 11:25 AM
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Cosmopolitan is imho a piece of shit magazine anyways. At least the romanian version. A friend of mine reads the spanish version on the web. Anyway. It's the dorks that get all the attention. I've seen it before. At the Medieval Art Festival held in Sighisoara last year. Some schmucks got interviewed, yet they had nothing medieval. Honestly, they looked and acted like some footbal people getting excited about the latest match. Blah. It's these kinds of people that ruin the whole festival? It pretty much sucks now if you'll ask me.
Well, no wonder people call us satan and devil worshipers with articles like the one above in mainstream magazines.
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Re: Cosmopolitan Goths
by bettie_x (strangersangel@hotmail.com)
on Mar 29, 2002 - 08:22 PM
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Well, it's stupid to think that other countries don't have worthless reading rags like america...we're just smut central.
Yes, the idiots get all the attention, simply because they are the ones that arent' true to themselves, and are most easily spottable due to an overexertion of effort to look the part or to get attention by everyday folks and those they wish to impress. They don't have a clue as to what they're trying to be about, and couldn't find their eyeliner with both hands and a search and rescue team.
Also, magazines and trash journalists SEEK these people because obviously they're starving for attention, are easily coerced, and have the most idiotic, inflamatory, and ridiculous garbage on their mind...which is coincidentally JUST what sells magazines and papers.
After the columbine highschool shooting in colorado, some local papers interviewed "goths" in our neighborhoods up here in washington *ugh*...where did they find them? At shari's at 11 o'clock at night (our area's version of a denny's...bottomless coffee, smoking area, open 24hrs). Duh. That is why I stay out of denny's or sheri's unless I have a good reason.
THEN they took their diatribe to the MALL *Screams and pulls out hair* and interview MALLRATS! Does anybody know anyone more ridiculous and clueless as mallrats?!
"yeah we're all into satan and marilyn manson and stuff, and it sucks all those kids got shot, but I can see why they did it."
*top of head pops like a zit*
Wise people speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say SOMETHING.
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Re: Cosmopolitan Goths
by Riggy (ArcheryGirl@juno.com)
on Mar 31, 2002 - 09:33 AM
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The term "shit-head" comes to mind...
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Re: Cosmopolitan Goths
by nocta on Apr 04, 2002 - 01:19 AM
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No shit goths are stereotyped as saying they're misunderstood. They are.
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Re: Cosmopolitan Goths
by DarkMistress on Jul 06, 2002 - 01:54 PM
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People I know have actually killed themselves over Manson, and I don't listen to his music. I'm not mourning for anyone, I don't dress like this because I want to be "different" I dress like this because it's me. Because i'm tied to it and I have been since...forever. I guess there are always going to be posers, but atleast I know I'm real.
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