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Theories: Seattle: Bad Land
Posted by Devin on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 04:08 AM PST

Religion
After this weekend's twin peaks marathon, and last week's new Stephen King mini-series, I got to thinking again about Bad Land. That's when a place, regardless of any recent developments on the property, is just fundimentally bad. It's kind of like the opposite of "Holy Ground". Most people believe a place can be evil. How do I know? Because Stephen King wrote Pet Semetary. It's not that I think that Stephen King is a god, or even a great writer, but he knows what to write to reach the broadest audience. This might make him a sellout as a writer, but it makes him a great research tool. If he writes a story about Bad Land, and then goes and writes another one about a house on Bad Land, you can bet it's because most people believe in at least the idea of Bad Land.
Rose Red
Yes I know this is a piece of pop television, and no part of the movie should be taken seriously, and is probably completely inaccurate. But one fact about the movie cannot be argued in any way. It exists. The content of the movie is not as signifigant as the fact that it exists and was set in Tacoma (Seattle's grubby little strung out sister city). This particular story is based on a real place, probably because real stuff is easier to write convincingly about than pretend stuff. The diarys of the lady that this story is based on talks about how even when the house was being built she felt like there was something wrong with the place - something old. This is different from the classic haunted house stories where restless spirits inhabit the house after dying there. Whether or not you believe the story, it's existance suggests that people are trying to explain what's wrong with the place. No matter what it is that's really wrong, they would not be doing that if there was nothing wrong at all.

Twin Peaks
I'm sure it's no coincidence that Twin Peaks was set in rural washington. It could have been set anywhere, why did they pick washington? When I was watching it this weekend, I kept hearing characters saying things that I've heard before. Things that extremely vibey people say when they first get to Seattle. "There's something very old in those woods". I felt it when I first got here. To me it felt like a heavy cloud of dark sensuality. The kind of place that makes you want to fuck. Alot. And not in a very nice way. In a way, It feels like everything Bob personifies. It didn't ever feel as slimey to me, but just as dangerous.

Observations
I used to go out with a super vibey fairy princess from the jungle in hawaii - her family was the kind of people you would look at and think "they must have taken a wrong turn in 1969" - But both parents have books published, and they could all talk circles around any philosopher or theologin I've ever encountered. Anyway, suffice it to say, they are all extremely on the vibe - so when her little brother came to Seattle without hearing anything about it, his first observation was "I think this place is haunted". My current roommate had only lived here for a month or so before she started talking about the whole area being haunted. I don't know about haunted, but there's definately someting about it that makes people think things like that.

Other Stuff
I've heard people say they heard the indians put a curse on Seattle. I've heard it's all about the weather. Not enuough sunlight they say. I don't know if I believe any of thses things, but one thing is undeniable. Just by the existance of all these theories about what "IT" is - there is no denying that there is an "IT". Something that is fundimentally wrong about Seattle and the surrounding area. What I would like to know is why doesn't anyone talk about it? They can't possibly not know. They sweep it under the carpet of civility just like their peculiar brand of racism which they also won't admit the existance of, even to themselves. It's like a taboo - something that civilized people all know about, but just don't talk about, or even think about for fear of what might be unleashed.

Why?


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Potholes in the road of souls
by Dolorosa on Feb 17, 2002 - 06:15 AM
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Hey...Seattle sounds, really interesting. Maybe I should make plans to go there. In any case, in light of strangeness similiar to that in my own life, maybe it's just one of those chthulian "other" feelings ya' know. It is there because it is undefined...er...somethin'. Regardless, my curiosity is perked up somethin' mad.


Re: Seattle: Bad Land
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Feb 17, 2002 - 10:57 AM
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I think land and people interact, and not just in terms of weather and geography, but emotionally as well.
People who live by the oceans tend to smile more, tend to hug more, tend to move up and down emotionally more than , say, people who live in mountains. I think that the land asks a price of the people that live on it.
New york is build on bedrock; the people are hard. Florida is a verdant swamp surrounded by oceans; the people there are working at having more life while going through life changes.
The people that live in mountains tend to be as hard as the stone that they live on, chill like the snows they deal with etc.
I think the land around Seattle is special ground, the sound is trapped water, the volcanoes arent that far away, and it has been washed with glaciers again and again. It asks for people that can understand it's trapped freedom and constant death experiences.
I know that August is magic up there, at least to me. It is intoxicating and heady, midsummers night that lasts a month or more. I know that January/febuary is the most deadful, yes i mean dead-ful, feeling that i have ever gotten from a place.
To go all mythological, there is a sense of a trapped ocean god, maybe trapped by a land godess and they only make peace when she is her most alive in mid summer. The trapped, oozing randiness that pervades the the islands and the hills around the seattle basin reeks of thwarted masculine energy to me and the changy-ness of the flowers and feel of the air screams dick-teasing female energy.
And it shows in the people that the land wears as its season clothes. dick-teasing females and pend up males go thru the danses that immitate the and personify the land itself.
Its not an inviting place, except in summer when the goddess is flirting and the god is hard as (giggle) rock, and it is easy to leave. Its also more fun to miss it than to be there most of the time.
Another thought.... paris and seattle are at similar latatudes right? maybe its jsut a balance thing, with paris being the vivrant, trapped female and seattlle being the trapped male? After all both cities are spawning grounds for sex and types of love. Or is that too global?


Twin peaks
by VampCourt (Morbidchic@hotmail.com)
on Feb 17, 2002 - 01:42 PM
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Hmmmm wierd... Washington? you sure? coz i crossed over twin peaks *and* Mezula when i headed to oregon...


which was one of those states aside from OR. Hmmmm...

"through the darkness of futures past, the magician longs to see... one chance out.. between two worlds... fire ...walk with me..."


"I got idea man, you take me for a walk... Under the sycamore trees... the dark trees that blow baby, in the dark trees that blow...

And I'll see you.. and you'll see me... and i'll see you in the branches that blow..

in the breeze.. I'll see you.. in the trees...

Under the sycamore trees.."


  • Re: Twin peaks by Devin on Feb 17, 2002 - 02:48 PM
    • :O by VampCourt on Feb 17, 2002 - 03:59 PM
Vacation in the Unholy Land
by Monolycus on Feb 18, 2002 - 02:07 AM
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There are two schools of thought about these kinds of spots... the first is that the places are bad and make people feel creepy, the second is that people are creepy and make the places feel bad. It gets a little "chicken and egg-ey" when you discuss it.

One way to think about it is the approach many have taken to describe the poltergeist phenomenon. Some assert that the focal individual unconsciously directs bad energy to make bad things happen to themselves and others, while others insist that the focal individual provides bad energy to a supernatural entity allowing it to manifest itself briefly (and usually in ways that do not provide fun for the whole family). I am inclined towards the latter idea because of the prevalence of "haunted dormitories" at institutions of higher learning throughout the world. Dormitories are places that concentrate all manner of negative feelings due to the regular contributions of sleeplessness, stress and general angst of the inhabitants. The frustrated paranormal researcher in me would be interested to discover whether or not there exist a higher percentage of manifestations during high stress periods such as Finals Weeks.

Places that are sacred in some way seem to be "holy" in thier own right... that is to say that they would be holy without the assistance of the primates that visit them... but creepy places seem to bear the psychic scars of things that people have done to them. I defy anyone, for example, to visit the battlefield of Shiloh without "knowing" somehow that something terrible occured there... and the city of Gary, Indiana will forever be tainted by the residue of Michael Jackson. I am not familiar with the history of Seattle or Washington State, but I assume that Starbucks did not occur in a vacuum. Something dreadful indeed must have been responsible for it.


Re: Seattle: Bad Land
by Meranda_Jade (scurtis510@home.com)
on Feb 18, 2002 - 09:02 AM
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When I was there, years ago, I felt something... didn't associate it with a darkness, though... 'course I'd just come from Ohio, and therre's always been something weird about the Miami Valley area that I'd felt was dark... I went climbing Tiger Mountain with a boy I'd met in Bellevue, and all of a sudden I stopped and said, "There's fairies here." He looked at me like I was crazy, then started to light a cigarette... I had a sudden impulse that this was a VERY bad idea and told him not to, and he laughed and did it anyway. Out of a very rare clear blue sky, there was a thunderclap, and sheets of rain started pouring on us, we went sliding down the mountain, by the time we got to the bottom, we were both covered in mud... I said,"You believe me now?" he said he did... the cigarette of course went out in the first few seconds of this... that was the only weirdness that happened while I was out there, other than that, I felt it was a really interesting place... was wondering when someone would bring up the Rose Red thing, have you been out to see that house yet, Devin?


Re: Seattle: Bad Land
by oohp (oohp@gotik.nu)
on Feb 18, 2002 - 11:26 AM
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There's a haunted forest near my city. Strange things happen there. A lot of strange stuff appears on film when you take pictures. Stuff that was never there when you shot the picture. I even heard a rumor that some kids went on weekend trip there and found a sack full of kittie heads. Cut off kittie heads. Umm. Then me and some friends went on a trip and our history teacher told us the next day not to go there because there's something wrong with the place, like dark energies or so even though I don't believe in that dark energy mumbo jumbo. I met this guy, who's a researcher and he wrote a book about that forest. With lots of odd pictures. None of them are faked. I went into the forest with him and with some other guy and some other people. This other guy had a Geiger detetcor. He didn't find anything significant with the detector, but showed us that the trees are twisted. I haven't seen trees twisted like that anywhere. I took some pictures. One of them had something in it. Too bad I gave the film to the researcher guy. I'm probably going to take some more pictures this summer.


Re: Seattle: Bad Land
by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com)
on Feb 18, 2002 - 01:51 PM
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I got "haunted" areas all around me, from my friends old house with the angry poltergeist, to the dirt road with the ghost cat that attacks cars. I think that everywhere you go you will find these places. Some locations just have that feel to them.


Re: Seattle: Bad Land
by Anonymous-Coward on Feb 21, 2002 - 11:52 AM
Wow. I have to agree about the idea of Bad Land. I have never been to Seattle, but friends of mine who have, have said there is something really strange about it. Not really good or bad, just the kind of feeling that makes the hair on the nape of your neck stand up.
There are a lot of places like that everywhere. I have moved around a lot and found many in Ohio (a Shawnee Indian word for "great sucking sound") and other places. I have lived in houses that felt violent, or wrong, or just plain creepy.
I think the land and the people are inseperable, and that the land soaks up the energy of it's people over time.


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