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| Theories: Conspiracy and Prophecy |
Posted by
Devin on Wednesday, September 12, 2001 - 11:41 PM PST
This isn't going to be a big coherrant article, I've got a lot of little pieces that I've been posting at the top of the main page that I wanted to put in a post so everyone could comment.
1) False Prophecy
In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
While the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
- Nostradamus, 1654
I wonder why people are so compelled to accept claims of prophecy in situations like this. I recieved the Nostradamus's "City of God" quatrain from a few sources so I posted it on the site, so I'm as guilty as anyone of this. I became suspicious when I saw the date was 1654. This is quite a while after Nostradamus died, but since he had stuff published in 1554, I figured it was a typo. That is until I started getting sent different versions - each version more specific than the last.
When I got one that said "Two Tall Brothers", I had to find out for myself. There's a few sites that let you search all of the quatrains, and I couldn't find anything even remotely resembling this one. Here's another version:
In the city of York there will be a great collapse
Two twin brothers torn apart by chaos
While the fortress falls the great leader will succumb
Third big war will begin when the big city is burning
Then I found this page which explains where this quatrain came from (the irony of the source amuses me):http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html
2) Revelations:
When the kings of the earth who commited adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: "Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babalon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!"
- Revelations: 9/11
I don't know what to make of this one but it's been circulating around as Revelation 9-11 (the date this all happened). I can see why someone would get away with forging a Nostradamus Quatrain, since they're so hard to look up, but quoting something out of the bible and telling people exactly where to look, it seems kinda silly if it ends up not being there. This may still be somewhere else in Revelations, and if anyone knows anything about this one I'd like to know more about it.
3) Numerology
Flight numbers: 11, 93, 175, and 77
11 = today's date
9 + 3 = 12 = Tomorrow
1 + 7 + 5 = 13 = Thursday
7 + 7 = 14 = Friday
I have no clue what this is supposed to mean, but since we're on the subject I thought I'd throw it in. Any ideas?
4) Conspiracy
I've had a nagging thought in my head which I'm sure nobody's really ready to hear. Please don't argue about the validity of this theory. I know people will anyway, but that's not the question, so don't even tell me "There's no way". My question is "What's gonna happen IF". Since nobody in the mainstream media will even mention it, I have to put it here if I want to hear discussion of it.
All of this talk about ruling out no options in finding out who we should go after is ignoring one important option. Obviously this was a very secretive group that planned it. The best way to keep those kind of secrets is to keep the group small and not tell anyone. I'd say a small group would be 12 to 16 people. There were 3 to 4 people on each of the 4 planes. What if that's all there were? What if everyone who knew anything about this was on those planes? It's not any more far fetched than any of the other theories. And given enuf money (it really wouldn't take nearly as much as people are saying it would - the terrorist pilots were trained by US! at standard flight schools), 16 people could pull something like this off. Regardless of whether or not this is what happened or is possible, the question I have is - if this is the case, what do we do? Who do we kill? Where is the war? Where does a whole country full of anger direct this shmeng?
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Re: Conspiracy and Prophecy
by Schizo on Sep 13, 2001 - 05:13 AM
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The correct location of the Revelation quote is Rev. 18:10.
Some more verses in the same passage:
18:11 - And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more
18:17-19 - For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, and cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
Didn't all the ferries rush to the other side of the river when the buildings collapsed? That caught my attention when I read the context of the verse. Also the mention of dust. Who can forget the sight of all that dust, on the ground, on cars, on people. I've heard that the dust was 3 inches thick.
And I like your theory, Devin. Or, anyway, I think it sounds possible. Can't say I actually LIKE it. If that's true, talk about the perfect crime!
Last night my boyfriend and I went out in the woods. We were far enough in to not hear any cars. Of course, we also didn't hear any planes. Nothing manmade at all. It was so peaceful. And so hard to believe that the peace we were experiencing was caused by destruction, pain, and death.
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Conspiracy
by feralucce on Sep 13, 2001 - 08:15 AM
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Well... 18 million in defense spending was CUT on the 10th... htis happens on the 11th... WE NEED TO DEFEND OURSELVES... sounds like a fund raiser to me...
Feral
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religious quotes..
by VampCourt (Morbidchic@hotmail.com)
on Sep 13, 2001 - 09:43 AM
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i personally like this one..after tuesday? i really like this quote..
Revelation 21:4 And he will wipe out every tear from thier eyes and death will be no more..neither will mourning nore out cry, nor pain be anymore. The Former things have passed away.
I found this in a bible my mother had and i was reading through the revelations. I actually enjoy reading religiouse literature of all kinds. and you have to sit back and wonder.. how is it that these men from so far long ago.. know... see.. feel the anger that was to happen thousands of years ahead. I personally think these things will come true. how? we dont know. When? we dont know. but the thought of all the cruel people that hurt and kill randomly like this will be destroyed... sounds pretty damn GOOD to me...
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Now, please, wait a second
by Arthegarn on Sep 13, 2001 - 10:29 AM
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Please, before we go on with this let's stop for a minute and look at Revelation from a distance and a Christian perspective.
Revelation is NOT a prophetic book. To begin with, the idea that there is such as prediction of the future is aberrant to serious jew-christians for a simple reason: God makes man free in Genesis, and if future could be predicted, it would mean that it is already written, and if it were written Man would not be free at all. I know this seems to be in contradiction with the Prophets of the Old testament, but actually it's not (loooooong story). It is written this way as a figure of speech and to resemble those prophets. Also, the general western interpretation comes from bad translations. The original texts talk in 1,3 that "the time for fulfillment is close", but it does not mean that these things will happen soon, but that if they don't happen soon, they will never happen.
Why? Because Revelations is NOT a book that talks about the end of the world. It is a book that talks about the inner journey of the religious man that leads to salvation. And it is wonderful (full of wonders). Think of the Seven Seals: They are the seven questions of the religious man: "If there is God why does It allow men to rule other men? Why is there violence? Why is there extortion? Why is there murder?" These four come together and all have the same answer, but then it comes "But if there is God, why do his followers suffer and die by the hand of men?" And after that has been answered, there is another "Why do we suffer by YOUR hand? Why are there natural disasters?". And after that, there is the seventh and last question, the most important: If you exist, why are you silent?"
Revelation is, probably, the most interesting book of the bible besides the Torah. But it did not predict this disaster. At least, not to me.
Arthegarn
P.S. But, hey, nice coincidence about numbers
P.P.S. Please accept my apologies everyone. This was supposed to have been posted here in the first place, but I pressed the wrong buttons... please somebody remove the other one, thanks.
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Re: Conspiracy and Prophecy
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Sep 13, 2001 - 11:08 AM
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this is a littel off topic of this post, but fits with what we are all talking about.
We have been at war with many of the factions who's members live int he middle east for years. They declared war on us years and years ago for all the "evils" that America personifies and symbolized. Now we are going to bomb them because that country or the other country symbolizes "terrorism" to us.
I think the best "revenge" that we as a nation and as a symbol of capitalism can possibly have is to rebuild the towers, but make them even bigger and more ostentatious and have a HUGE wake in times square.
let the rum flow and the cigarettes burn (the foundations of the counties economy)
Let the barely dressed people dance in the streets( We are the number one producers of porn in the world)
Let there be a wave of abortions (a thing that is not allowed in the countries that hate what we symbolize)
let there be homosexuals dancing with senators! let there be cops barfing in the gutter from drink! let there be sex and noise and booze and people wearing tacky t-shhirts with glib innanities scribbled across them!
Let us live up to all that we symbolize and let us enjoy the hell out of it.
Terror crimnes are a cry for attention and a need to make some kind of impact that "devistates" what it attacks. We can make this attack fail, but no giving a shit about them, what they wanted, and who they are.
People will still be dead, wounded, and bereived. That wont go away. But let us treat this as a natural disaster, a hurricane or flood or earthquake.
Im not saying that ignoring the wars that we are in will make them go away. That is part of what brought this about ignoring the anger and militantism of the people with whom we are at war.
But we can make the terrorists fail by not letting thier act change how we act, by dancing instead of shaking fists int he air.
And for the record, yes i did have family and friends and friends' family int he towers when the went down. Most made it out safe, 2 are still missing. I sttod in the plaza at the towers 2 summers ago and marveled at thier high and size and the feel of being that small next to something that man made.
But i wont give in and let the hate make me hate.
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Re: Conspiracy and Prophecy
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Sep 15, 2001 - 05:30 PM
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http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/
is down today. I was going to go looking for random words and see if i could find a quatrain that talked about any of the natural disasters that have happend in the last 5 years.
ah well, i guess that i'll do my homework instead.
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Re: Conspiracy and Prophecy
by Anonymous-Coward on Sep 18, 2001 - 05:40 PM
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Just to clarify things. The concept of freedom and prophecy are not compatible.
It's one or the other.
For years we've lived like Fat Cat Americans, and basically ignored the rest of the world while our government ran roughshod over them. They just gave us a big wake up call and said, "hello", we're out here and we are poor and unhappy and don't like it.
Freedom means believing you can shape the future. It means believing there is one choice better than another.
You choose, and then you accept the responsibility for what happens.
To foist off our responsibility on a vague and confusing prophecy seems really pathetic to me. Instead we need to try to study what happened, learn from it, and take appropriate action.
If we negate the responsibility we all shared in this, we will likewise negate the freedom to change things in the future. We aren't puppets, and we aren't automatons.
Blast away at the machine and lets get back to our humanity.
If you want to read something really prescient, read the following:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/
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