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Articles: HisStory Quiz |
Posted by
Rogue on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 04:42 AM PST
There is a nation whose very existence is owed to a foreign population taking land by force, employing tactics ranging from bioterrorism to harmful and false treaties, whose proud and longtime original residents are now crowded into ghettoes in the worst parts of the nation, and that is just the ones that have managed to survive.
The Geneva Convention was blatantly ignored for one reason or other, and the invading forces believed that it was their divine right to take the land either because their deity gave it to them, or because the people living on the land originally were followers of the wrong religion, or simply because if they could take the land then they were meant to take the land in a manifestation of political darwinism.
Settlements were established by the occupying forces in order to demographically secure the land for themselves, and enough time has gone by that they now consider themselves rightful owners and native to the land they had stolen, as most or all of them have been born in the occupied territory.
Further, once the land was secured the other nations of the world conspired to help them, by sending people to the new area to further secure it and prevent an uprising that would restore the original order.
No attempt has been made, nor will any attempt ever be made, to restore the birthright of the original owners of the land and resources, partly because of the perceived divine right of the interlopers and partly because of the conspicuous lack of surviving victims.
Now for the quiz:
To which nation am I referring?
A) Israel
B) Britain
C) United States
D) Canada
E) Tibet
F) Cuba
G) Hawaii
H) None of the above, that never happens.
I) All of the above, and more.
Cheers, Rogue
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Rogue (Rogue@skew.org) on Apr 05, 2002 - 08:18 AM (User info | Send a Message) | The United States and????
Devin, give us a sign... |
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Ironboots on Apr 05, 2002 - 12:34 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://ranger.vr9.com/Flash.html | Now that I stop for a minute, I realize that all of the above IS the correct choice. Everyone has invaded everyone else... until everyone has been defeated, and only the great anenome is relevant. |
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Re: HisStory Quiz by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Apr 05, 2002 - 03:27 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | someone just pushed the button marked "push here to Piss off God".....
I for one hope that Hawaii does throw off the mantle of US dictatorship. Then they too can more freely enter into treaties with the unconquered nations here in the US, Canada, Alaska etc.
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Re: HisStory Quiz
by Xaoswolf (Xaoswolf@hotmail.com)
on Apr 05, 2002 - 07:43 AM
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Are you talking about the settling of the United States(either during the initial colonial stages, or later during the Manifest Destiny part)? Not sure when the Geneva Convention was formed so I could be wrong.
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Rogue (Rogue@skew.org) on Apr 05, 2002 - 08:16 AM (User info | Send a Message) | It was established around 1949, to take effect in 1950. As for the United States, I am referring to any and all European action on the continent, they having stolen the land from the native here who are believed to have stolen the land from an older group or possibly assimilated with them (see "Anasazi", ancient enemies)...note that I said the Geneva Convention was ignored for "one reason or another", one of those "other" reasons being that it had not yet been established... Does everyone here think I am talking JUST about the United States (or, more properly, the united States) here? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? |
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Re: HisStory Quiz
by Monolycus on Apr 05, 2002 - 09:52 AM
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Except for the small question of semantics (Hawaii is no longer considered a nation), the answer is I) All of the above and more.
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Re: HisStory Quiz by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Apr 05, 2002 - 10:29 AM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | By whom is it no longer considered a nation? The conquerors or the natives? I belive that many of the conquered nations in the world recognize their soverenty. |
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Rogue (Rogue@skew.org) on Apr 05, 2002 - 12:37 PM (User info | Send a Message) | Here in the States we still maintain a figurehead President and House and Senate, as an act of defiance to show we remember being sovereign. Sorta like British royalty, but not as inbred.
We were actually tricked into selling our country for $24 worth of cola nuts to the Nigerians. |
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Devin (devin-at-vibechild-dot-com) on Apr 05, 2002 - 02:29 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://devin.vibechild.com/ | Hawaii is considered an "Occupied Territory" by every country including the United States. Clinton even signed a bill admitting that Hawaii has never been the 50th state. The only reason it didn't change anything is that nobody knows what to do about it (and it would be "inconvenient" and embarassing).
Yes, Hawaii is recognized as a nation by the UN.
Gotta love American public schools. If anyone wants to correct the holes in their education - and get a good story in the process, there's plenty of information available on how it happened - lots of blood and backstabbing - go read.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/HAWAII/hawaii.html |
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Rogue (Rogue@skew.org) on Apr 05, 2002 - 05:02 PM (User info | Send a Message) | Heh, why d'ya think I put Hawai'i on the list in the first place? Did you also know that Ohio was not far ahead of Hawai'i, with its improper statehood being declared in 1803 but the official process not being finished until 1954. Then there's always the Republic of Texas, which flies its own flag in Austin (or so I hear tell) higher than the US flag since they are a sovereign allied nation... Now if we could just give CA, NM, UT, AZ, and CO back to Mexico.... |
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Monolycus on Apr 07, 2002 - 09:52 AM (User info | Send a Message) | Thank you for that information, Devin. As Herr Johnny Carson was so keen to say: "I did not know that". It serves to confirm my answer of All of the Above, and more. I expect that all of this will be on the final exam. |
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by Rae (darkness_embraced1@yahoo.com)
on Apr 06, 2002 - 06:48 AM
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A) Israel
The Fourth Geneva Convention was used by the internationals in 1949 in regards to the monstrosities commited by the Nazis during WWII. The International treaties says what is allowed and what is not allowed to happen to civilians during wartime or under military occupation.
The Geneva convention does not permit torture, integrative penalization,and the
resettlement by an occupying power of its own civilians on territory under its military control. However, it has never been invoked in situations such as Bosnia, Rwanda, and so on.
Since 1997, the Arabs at the U.N. have been trying to invoke the Fourth Geneva Convention against Israel in regard to its settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. and in particular at "Har Homa" in Jerusalem.The UN General Assembly has adopted a number of non-binding resolutions condemning Israeli settlements, and calling for a convening of the signatory nations of the Fourth Geneva Convention. In February 1999 the GA adopted a resolution calling for a special UN session to be held on July 15, 1999, in Geneva to examine "persistent violations" by Israel.
Israel rejects the interpretation of the Fourth Geneva Convention applying it to Israeli settlements
in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, stating that those territories were captured in 1967 as a result of a defensive war against countries which had illegally occupied them since 1948.
Switzerland is the Depository for the Fourth Geneva Convention. This means that the Swiss are technically responsible for organizing and convening a meeting of the signatory nations. However,the Swiss may only convene the meeting if a majority of the signatory nations agree to do so.
ADL [and other organizations] have vigorously opposed convening the Fourth Geneva Convention
in regard to Israeli settlements arguing that it could dangerously politicize the international
legitimacy and high standings of the Geneva Conventions. It could open a Pandora’’s box across the globe haphazardly applying the convention to a plethora of nations. Furthermore, it would give credence to the Palestinian tactic of using the international community to air grievances regarding
the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and thereby threatens the peace process itself.
International efforts led by the United States were successful in scaling down the July 15th special
UN meeting in Geneva. The closed-door meeting lasted a mere 45 minutes. However, a resolution
was unanimously passed stating that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply to Israeli settlements
in the "occupied territories."
- Encylopedia Brittanica
You didn't say it couldn't be a open book quiz. *grins*
I knew what you was talking about though, I went straight to it. Do I still get an A?
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Rogue (Rogue@skew.org) on Apr 06, 2002 - 09:00 PM (User info | Send a Message) | Um, no. Israel was the low-hanging fruit, the easy bait if you will, that I expected someone to bite sooner or later. Actually if you read again what I intentionally wrote in a vague fashion and some of the later comments, the answer I was seeking was "all of the above", but it so happens that Israel is still in the process that was completed years ago by the other nations, and in the case of Hawai'i by the US against it. Most people think that the current situation in Israel is unique or original or abnormally disruptive to the people involved, but they are historically myopic. |
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Rogue (Rogue@skew.org) on Apr 06, 2002 - 09:06 PM (User info | Send a Message) | There are, for example, no real Cubans whatsoever as the tribes which were there were destroyed to the last person by the invading powers, there are very few real Hawai'ians and very few real Americans left, and one of the worst applications of bioterrorism ever committed was on the part of what are now called the "pilgrims/pioneers/founding fathers" of the US against the natives, and the "one reason or other" that they ignored the Geneva Convention is that it was not created at that time. You get much extra credit for being able to make an open-book quiz work to your benefit, however, and a smiley face for a good, if partially correct, answer. |
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Re: HisStory Quiz
by Dolorosa on Apr 06, 2002 - 05:27 PM
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Better to be the conqourer than the conqoured...If I'm not mistaken, I think Temujin said something like that...before he changed his name to Greg or Kandi or something...
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by kat_vamp (-)
on Apr 06, 2002 - 08:52 PM
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I like the fact that you called it a His-Story quiz...he he he. All of the above and more, of course...however, I would specify the United States, being that I am in this F***ed up country.
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Re: HisStory Quiz by Rogue (Rogue@skew.org) on Apr 08, 2002 - 06:25 AM (User info | Send a Message) | Too many people forget that history books and news reports are works of reality-based fiction and meant to play the public like a four-dollar fiddle. What amuses me is that the very word "History" is like a contraction of "his" and "story", telling you all you need to know about it, like somebody decided to name it that just to see who gets the joke. Then there's Robert Half International, or "Rob Half" if you think about it...look around, this stuff is everywhere like Savoir Faire. Look up people's names on babelfish sometime for fun, like Norman Schwarzkopf (black head)... Etymology can be your friend, and points the way to the grand joke that is society.
Some things are obvious opposites, too, and their joke is in the irony of their names. For instance, "credit" as in consumer credit, credit cards, etc....they're not about credit at all, but debit - in the spirit of the Ministry of Peace in a book I once read that was double-plus good.
"Networks at work keeping people calm, you know they went after King when he spoke out on Vietnam..." -RATM, "Wake Up"
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Re: Re: HisStory Quiz by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com) on Apr 15, 2002 - 02:27 PM (User info | Send a Message) http://www.plynlymon.com | to take the history thing one step further.... l'histoire means both "story" like a novel, story line, plot, etc and "history" in french.
they acknowledge that it is just a story that we use to give time reality and to tie us to the past and the present. |
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The correct Answer from a citizen of that nation
by seraphimdusk on Apr 26, 2002 - 10:25 PM
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CANADA...
We have taken away the birthright. We are Foreign due to our diverse multicultural policies... And our cities[ghettos] have spread to areas to ensure that america didnt take over back in the 19th Century...
Canada is the country you speak of
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