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Re: Please forgive the inadequacy of my English...
by Anya on Dec 01, 2003 - 03:04 PM
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I been doing a lot of thinking on this article today and I think Arthegarn has brought out some interesting points. Now I can say that I'm a bit more moderate. I still think it should be an option, but I suppose that other punishments should be done first. Eh...too tired to think at the moment. I'll add more input another time.
PS: Arthegarn, you almost could make an article with that post of your's. Well done.
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Re: Please forgive the inadequacy of my English...
by Domkitten (saradevil@saradevil.com)
on Dec 01, 2003 - 08:08 PM
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As always, your arguments that you do not grasp the language sound a bit flat as this is beautifully and impeccably written.
You have hit the nail on the head, though and explained an argument I’ve made in much more clear terms. The point behind having a penal justice system is to educate those who are incarcerated, and to provide the rest of society at large a means of understanding the consequences of actions.
Death in general is not much of a deterrent for a criminal about to commit a crime. It is not something that crosses the minds of most criminals. Upon finding out that they will die for most it is the most extreme shock, a realization of the catastrophic nature of the events that have been put in place, and for others it feeds a sense of martyrdom, dying for a cause, or “he is most likely to believe that the System and the State and the Community are hypocritical as they are condemning him to Death.” And lastly, it is simply suicide, like Ted Bundy, who guaranteed himself the death penalty by killing young girls in Florida. He would have killed again anyway, but he wanted to be sure that when he was caught he would be put to death.
Regardless of whether or not just is right (and I know the kind of arguments and the length of discussion that can be involved with those two words) I do think it is wrong to live in a society with laws that is willing to condemn others members of that society to death without taking any steps to try and redeem the criminal. It is the job of the society to educate and care for all of the members of that society. Yes, I would say the government serves as a parent, and as such should not have the choice of putting a bad or misbehaving child to death, but should instead find other means to deal with, and correct the child. (I feel like I’m arguing this with a Socratic bent, but as all my books are in another country I have to work this from my memory, and I may be getting my Plato, Hobbes, and Rousseau confused).
I think that this sums up what I am thinking the most that justice should be “About growing beyond the instinct to destroy what harms us into a spirit of pity and compassion, and second chances.”
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