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Re: So you're saying you're not going to stop?
by Schizo on Jul 28, 2001 - 09:19 AM
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Image does not mean exact copy. God does not have a physical body. He is pure spirit. I have never seen a pure spirit. Humans resemble God in that they have a spirit, and the capacity for free will.
God cannot fail. That is what He cannot do. He cannot fail to lift anything He wants to, if that's what He feels He needs to do. It's an old play on words, Comedian, and below you.
Parents allow their children free will. They do not bind them (most parents, anyway) and force their children to do every thing just the way it pleases them. But that does not mean that those parents sanction the wrong things their children do. God does not sanction violence, etc, but He has allowed it because people have insisted. He will not squash the human will. He knew these things would happen when He created humans. And parents know their children will do wrong things when they procreate. But parents still make babies, and we do not hate them for it. Why should God then be vilified for making humans?
He also has woven it into His world that all wrongdoing has it's own natural punishment. The very fiber of the world shows God's distaste for violence and cruelty and lies and other wrong things.
How many times do I have to say it? WHAT IS DONE IN THE NAME OF GOD IS NOT NECESSARILY HIS WORK. If I kill someone in the name of Comedian, should you take the blame? If I tell a child to cross a street blindfolded because Comedian told me it should, are you to blame? What if the Spanish Inquisition was done in the name of Comedian instead of the name of God? These people may have been worshipping something, they may have used the name of the God I serve and love, but it is not the same Person. And God should not take the rap for these twisted acts.
I don't have a religion. I quit going to church a long time ago. I keep no holy rituals. I have abandoned most of the language of my faith. What I have retained is a growing, expanding relationship with the powerful Being who made me and cares for me. It is not a religion. It is more like a love affair. I know this Person. He knows me. It has nothing to do with a Pope, or a missionary in Africa, or Sir Richard the Lionhearted. It is between myself and God. I don't care if all religion in the world dies out. God exists, and I am convinced of that. I have spent my life searching for Him. I have thrown my trust on Him over and over and never been let down.
As far as my limited brain can reason, the concept of a just and good and powerful God makes sense to me. But even if my reason fails me and there are things I do not understand and cannot explain, I will not let go. If I could understand all of God's ideas and reasons for things, I would think the whole thing very fishy. I can't even understand Einstein, let alone the maker of the entire universe. If I could understand it, it would be proof that the whole concept was fabricated by man. It makes enough sense to remove my reasonable doubt. And, laugh at me if you will, I have had enough personal proof of the existance of God to render me certain.
I don't think I care to argue anymore. I have stated my point. At this point, I am merely repeating myself. You do not want to hear me. That is your choice. I am not here to convert, merely to defend. I have done that to the best of my ability. Lets stop hashing and rehashing, because neither of us is going to change the other.
This is not a surrender. I still hold my position. But futher argument is pointless.
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Is god circumsized?
by Arthegarn on Aug 07, 2001 - 02:41 AM
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It is oversized to be circumsized XD. Also, only males are circumsized, and as a token of their pact with God. God needs no token of a pact with Itself. Also, there is the slight problem that God has no sex... XD
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At His Image
by Arthegarn on Aug 07, 2001 - 02:56 AM
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Woah, woah, woah, wait a second. God created humans at Its IMAGE, not as photocopies. It means that humans have self-awareness, intelligence and free will, nort that God looks like us. Also, God created humanity and humanity created war. Also, God created humanity, and humanity created the Church, and the Church sanctioned war saying it spoke in the name of God.
What God does sanction is Death. That's obvious, as God created Death. But he utterly condemns inflicting death to equals, and to the eyes of God we are all equals. So, you shall not kill, but It will, when he deems appropiate.
You play sophisms, but I will answer your question. If God had wanted to create humanity good, then we would not be humans but angels. Ig God had wanted to create us evil, then we would not be humans but devils. What God did was putting us in between, give us free will and HOPE THAT WE WOULD USE IT FOR GOOD. Just as parents must let sometime their creation go free, and hope they have taught him or her well enough as for him or her not to go astray, get into drugs and end up giving blowjobs for a dose of crack. God did the best it could be done that is compatible with free will, and then let us go. But God wants us to return home so to speak. If you choose not to, then that's your choice, but God will cry every step that you walk away from It.
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Faith and fanatics
by Arthegarn on Aug 07, 2001 - 03:03 AM
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There is another sophism in your posting that requires separate comment. You say that "the muslims have you beat as far as a religion with devout followers goes". Well, it's not actually that way... I consider myself as devote to my religion as they are... at least. The point is my religion asks me not to do those spectacular things. Furthermore, it asks me not to lift a hand to defend myself through violence, so I do not think that a so-called christian that bonzoes him or herself has understood a word of the message of Christ. There are people who kill for the greater glory of God. Well, we die for the greater glory of God, if that's the same to you... and do not think that God asks such (I hope not to hurt anyone's feelings here) stupid-stupid-stupid things suchas those.
As for Bethelem... I am afraid we christians have very little to say about that conflict. It's jews and muslims, so don'tblame us with that. Just for the sake of truth
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