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Re: Why should people die young?
by Schizo on Jul 27, 2001 - 01:51 PM
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I never said it was a punishment, I said it was a lesson. God doesn't "send" these things, He just doesn't sterilize life for us so nothing bad ever happens to us. He doesn't strike people with lightning, just happens that someone was in the way of lightning's natural path. And it can be argued that genetic mutations are the result of someone's mistreating their bodies, or the environment, or something else. The Chernobyl baby would be the fault of the people who carelessly designed that power plant. It was their choice to do it that way, and God isn't going to cosmically interfere with their actions. He will, however, help make something good out of tragedy, if allowed.
You might say, why would God allow a child to be born to a violently insane man to be abused and to learn fear and pain in quantities a child is not supposed to experience? Yet that happened to me, and years later, I can say that I have learned from that, that I am stronger, wiser and better because of it. It was not easy going through it, it was not fun, I have said "Why, God" a hundred times, been angry, wanted not to believe in Him, yet in the end the negative experience has been turned to positive.
I know a family whose son was born brain-damaged due to a doctor's mistake. Years later, the same family gave birth to a Down's Syndrome child. Why? I don't know. But because that family has decided to take life's shit and not get angry, they are now among the strongest and sweetest people I know. And the two handicapped boys are also sweet, wonderful children. Sure, life is hard for that family, but it is good, too.
I would not say to anyone in the middle of hardship that they have a lesson to learn. That is simply insensitive. But if possible, I would help them to the point that they could see that for themselves.
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- And... by Comedian on Jul 27, 2001 - 01:58 PM
- Re: And... by Schizo on Jul 27, 2001 - 02:42 PM
- Mn. by Comedian on Jul 27, 2001 - 06:08 PM
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Re: Why should people die young?
by Arthegarn on Aug 07, 2001 - 02:37 AM
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First thing, there is a problem with this, and it's faith. In the end it all comes down to faith. If you believe that God is good, then you need no explaining about it. You just believe it all happens by a good reasons, and that's all you need. If you do believe god is mean, the it also comes down to that.
This also brings something up that really annoys me (you'll all have to forgive the language but I am not into slang well enough as to express myself without sounding like a book), and it's the people who only think about God to blame It for something. They do not believe even It exists, but it always comes in handy when tnere is no one around to blame. But that's another story...
As for the people who do not believe that good is necessariliy good or evil... where here go some rationalizations just for the sake of debate.
1) The sinless baby hypothesis: Well, first of all it can be argued that perhaps the baby was not alive to begin with. Roman Catholics believe, for instance, that a soul enters the body when tne body is ready to recieve it. So, if God wanted to teach something to someone, It need not be neccesarely cruel: you just put in the world a sort of NPC and that's all (I hope everyone is in RPGs...) Just body, no soul.
Second, and this is my belief, God has nothing to do with it. I believe God created this universe with a set of rules, so to speak, and then let it go free. By these rules sometimes disasters happen, but it is the wayof the world. So, an objection comes. Why did not God create a perfect universe? Because if It had we would not be humans on Earth, we would be angels in Heaven. And in my choice, 'tis better to live on Earth than serve in Heaven (Thanks for the quote, Johnny)
2) The Punishment Hypothesis: I do not believe this has nothing to do with punishment. God does not interfere with our affairs. He lets man punish or forgive man (The Divine Prime Directive, haw haw). I know that the Old Testament is filled with such interventions, but I mostly think of them as symbols. If Virgin mary were to appear before me, I'd grab my coat and run to a mental institution to be checked out.
There is something more to be said about that. Well, you can believe Gos has nothing to do with your misfortune, or that it is caused by It. What no one can deny is that, if even though you think you are being cruelly punished, you keep on believing and praying, you'll go straight to Heaven.
I hope the world has sufficient explanation.
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