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Re: True dat
by goathead (toxic@hotbrev.com)
on Apr 12, 2002 - 07:31 AM
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yeah, i agree.. the way the fashion industry influences kids barely even into their teens is like a dream come true for pedophiles.. it's disgusting..
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Re: True dat
by callei (plyn@plynlymon.com)
on Apr 12, 2002 - 10:07 AM
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i could be wrong here, but i think pedophiles would want them to dress as little kids.... since a pedophile want to be with a kid, not an adult. dressing or acting like an adult would seem to make you less desierable to a pedophile. could be me...
Anyhoo.... these kids that you are talking about, these 12-14 year old girls in particular, are not "little kids". they can and do get pregnant, have breasts, periods, all that stuff. biologically theu arent children, they are adults. Unfortunatlry they also live in a culture that thinks women never become women by stay little girls forever, and thinks that 18 years old means grown up. this is not really relevant since it was based at least partially on when girls and boy matured when underfed and with no hormones in a very cold climate that retarded physical development.
this 18 year old line was 2 years after the first period for women. MOST girls these days in the US have thier first period by the age of 11, so giving it two years for them to get used to being a functional adult.... that makes it what 13? and many girls have thier first period at 10, some even younger.
Is it really a case of children pretending to be adults or is it young adults trying to make thier own lives in a culture that wont acknowledge thier adulthood or give them adiquate training to be the adult that they are at 14?
I mean it is legal for 14 year olds to get married (in some states, 16 in most others) but not legal for them to see a scary movie? or move out? or choose thier own classes?
I think we are raising our kids wrong, in that we dont give them responsibities until they are already too old to learn how to handle them, no rights until they are sick of being disenfranchised, and artificially elongating "childhood" until it becomes detremental to them. We want them to stay cute little dolls that we play dress-up with and (due to being badly raised ourselves ) we dont know what to do with them after they start to think for themselves (around age 3-5).
But that is my rant. Obviously these "kids" have brains and needs and wants and desires, they are HUMAN. and they know how to try to get those needs filled, they may not be the best ways, but they arent significantly different from the way that "adults" get those same needs filled. Watch a soap- opera if you think im full of it and see adults acting like "children"
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Re: True dat
by kat_vamp (catvamp@msn.com)
on Apr 17, 2002 - 09:17 AM
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Okay, I've read all the comments from others on this topic, and I must say that Everyone has good information and Part of the truth.
I agree that people should be in charge of their own bodies...from 18 months of age onward. At 18 months they are begining to learn about their badies and their bodies become their own.
I also agree that our society is all messed up when it comes to educating our children about their bodies and how to become a responsible adult. Yes, our culture babies our children for way too long. Yes, women Are expected to remain "kids" and that sucks. Our culture sucks in general and these are just more examples of how.
Pedophilia is molestation, but molestation is not always simply pedophilia. A person can be molested at any age. And not all perverts (of the icky variety) want real children...some do prefer young adults or women who dress young. A common fantasy is the 20 year old woman with a schoolgirl uniform and a lollypop. But that's beside the point.
UNTIL YOU HAVE THE SELF AWARENESS AND KNOWLEDGE that you are in charge of your body, your life and your experiences...that is to say, until you are an enlightened person...you CANNOT be totally responsible for what you are doing.
Teenagers ARE young adults. They should be treated as such. But they DO NOT have the life-experience to handle such things as sex and it's consequences. Teenagers are young enough to still beleive they are invincible and immune to the consequences of their actions. It's up to the parents to teach them these things...and yes, most parents fail miserably at this. Teenagers do not have the Emotional Capacity to handle the consequences or even the actions, due to their short time on earth and their lack of experience because of that.
Now...if I beleive that a person is in charge of their body from the age of 1 1/2...it doesn't neccessarily mean that I beleive that they are responsible enough to make all of their own choices without guidance. And just because I agree that teenagers deserve respect and to be treated as the adults their bodies say they are (most teens have really great minds too!) doesn't mean that I beleive that they (as 1/2 child-1/2 adult) are responsible enough to handle sex and it's consequences.
Also...It doesn't matter how a person dresses, wears makeup, or flaunts themselves about...it doesn't mean that they are "asking" for it (rape.) That is a horrible fallacy that perpetuates this sort of violence. Rape has nothing to do with age, sex, sexuality, looks, actions, or anything else...RAPE IS A VIOLENT ACT OF ONE PERSON CONTROLLING ANOTHER. So those girls that got abducted did not "deserve" it, and I feel horrible for anyone who goes through that sort of trauma. (Coming from one who has been there.) I wish I could torture, then let live, every molester and rapist in the universe. I fantasize about that. I have dreams about that. I despise them all. And if I could stop them, I, too, would give my life.
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